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ed rooney
13-09-2002, 10:38
At the risk of being a bit :dork:y I know a few of you follow grown-up rounders so thought I'd try and start a baseball thread.
Being a Mets fan :rolleyes: :oh-hum: :( I've not got the enjoyment of my team making a run at the Series. However, I have to say it's very pleasing to see some of the small market teams making a run for it. On that basis I'm rooting for either the A's or the Twins. Personally I reckon the A's have an excellent chance aslong as they don't blow it like last year. I'd be happy with anyone but the Yankees.
So, who do you follow and who do you reckon will win it this year?
/me sits back and waits for thread to plummet!
For my sins I'm a Cubs fan.It's pretty tight in the AL West with the Angels and A's tied for the lead,both teams have good solid lineup's with great pitching especially from Washburn for the Angels and Mulder for the A's.
ed rooney
13-09-2002, 13:33
Woo hoo, a reply. :clap:
I'd just been on espn and seen that the Angels had taken 3 of 4 to tie it at the top of the AL West. The Angels have now gone 9-1 in their last 10.
Also noticed the Mets have won 8 out of their last 10. :|
It's pretty amazing that the As managed a 21 game winning streak but were still only 2 and a half games head after that. It's a good race and should be interesting to see who comes out on top. It's likely the loser will be the wildcard team and have to face the Yankees which Could work in their favour as it's probably easier to beat the Yankees in a 5 game series.
I haven't seen as many games this season but it would be great to see the As or Twins win but I think it's likely to be the Yankees again.
Massive baseball fan here - don't really support a team, just a general fan of the game. And a big thumbs up to C5's coverage. Johnny Gould and Josh Chetwynd (sp?) are 2 of the better sports presenters on TV IMO and really add to the already excellent coverage
Originally posted by john316
Massive baseball fan here - don't really support a team, just a general fan of the game. And a big thumbs up to C5's coverage. Johnny Gould and Josh Chetwynd (sp?) are 2 of the better sports presenters on TV IMO and really add to the already excellent coverage
Indeed they are but Todd Maklin was even better and should have received awards for his coverage of US Sport on C5.
ed rooney
13-09-2002, 15:55
Originally posted by GregB
Todd Maklin was even better and should have received awards for his coverage of US Sport on C5.
Agreed, but lets face it some people think that Andy Townsend, Ron Atkinson, Garth Crooks etc are worthy of being on TV so I doubt he'd get any recognition if he presented for the next 20 years. :oh-hum:
I think being tucked away on C5 on the early hours allows Johnny etc to be a bit more relaxed and off-the-cuff which makes it a better programme, although their budget is probably tiny.
On a related note Jon Miller and Joe Morgan are excellent.
Pirates fan here.
Watched them destroy the Phillies at 3 Three Rivers stadium about 10 years ago and had a great time.
ed rooney
13-09-2002, 16:04
Originally posted by MrSpeed
Pirates fan here.
Watched them destroy the Phillies at 3 Three Rivers stadium about 10 years ago and had a great time.
Barry Bonds and Bobby Bonilla?
If so they were on the verge of great things - I think they won the NL East on several occasions - then those two became free agents and they returned to minnow status.
Originally posted by ed rooney
On a related note Jon Miller and Joe Morgan are excellent.
Indeed they are although it felt a bit odd when I was watching a bit of a Sunday Night Baseball game when I was in Vegas at 6pm. It just seemed wrong to be watching live baseball at anyhting but the wee small hours
ed rooney
13-09-2002, 16:46
I imagine it did feel a bit odd - it even seems strange watching a game at 12.30ish our time and it's bright sunshine at the game (especially on the west coast).
The 3 hour difference between coasts throws up some strange times. I noticed that there was a game this (mid-)week that was starting at 10.30am western time that involved West coast teams. :confused:
ed rooney
19-09-2002, 10:28
Just watched the Sun game Angels v Rangers and have to say that the Angels look good winning 13-4 with Troy Glaus hitting 3 home runs.
At the time it took then one game clear of the A's - remarkable considering the A's went on a run of 25-4 or something.
The game also highlighted how trying to buy yourself success i.e. the Rangers doesn't always work - they've got the best player in baseball in A-Rod and all it's got them is last place.
I shall watch last nights game tonight.
:dork: :dork: :dork:
CubeGame
19-09-2002, 11:28
:clap: Baseball
Top game. So good when you to a Ballpark to. I went to see the A's last season and you just have to be SO impressed at all the different types of food you can buy in the ground. :clap: I love the USA.
Mmmmm. Garlic fries......
biggerman
19-09-2002, 16:57
Its difficult to fully apreciate the difficulty and skill level involved in baseball until you see a game live.
The speed at which the players can throw the ball is mind-blowing, how anyone can hit a ball travelling at close to 100 m.p.h. with movement is incredible.
For big guys they can really move.
Originally posted by ed rooney
I'd be happy with anyone but the Yankees.
:eek:
Been a Yanks fan for 8 years. Lived just over the Hudson and saw them play maybe 40 or 50 times in the 2 years I lived there. That was before they won everything, so I'm entirely excused! In fact in 1995 they got into the play-offs for the first time in 13 seasons. (although the Mariners knocked them out)
Obviously I want them to win.
The team I always pray don't win of course is the Red-sox, both because its hilarious they have never won it and because of the rivalry.
Originally posted by Bick
The team I always pray don't win of course is the Red-sox, both because its hilarious they have never won it.
Get your facts straight Sir,I'll think you'll find the Bo-Sox have won the World Series 5 times in 1903,12,15,16,18.
ed rooney
20-09-2002, 09:47
biggerman - your spot on - 'cos of the camera angle they use on tv you can't fully appreciate the movement of the ball
Watched the Yankees/D' Rays game taped from Wednesday. The number of Yankees fans in Florida was unbelievable and is all the more reason to dislike them - they truly are the Man Utd of baseball. :oh-hum: They lost last night though. :D
They showed the highlights of the Angels/A's game from Tues which looked like an amazing pitching duel between Washbourne and Mulder with the Angels sneaking it 1-0. However the A's won the last 2 games of the series to take a one game lead.
Exciting races in the west. :dork:
biggerman
20-09-2002, 10:16
I understand what you mean about the Yankees, I lived in NY for two years and EVERYONE who comes buys their baseball caps, shirts etc.
That is why they are so wealthy and why they can afford the highest wages. It is great to see the other minnow clubs do well.
It is ironic that Yankee stadium is in such bad condition and is in a pretty bad area.
ed rooney
20-09-2002, 11:44
Originally posted by biggerman
That is why they are so wealthy and why they can afford the highest wages. It is great to see the other minnow clubs do well.
Hopefully the A's, Angels or Twins can beat them in the play-offs.
Personally I think the A's have better pitching than the Yankees so hopefully they can do the business and knock 'em out. :)
biggerman
20-09-2002, 14:43
Sports in Europe could learn a lot from baseball, in how to promote their games and also how to entertain the fans when they are in the venue.
American sports fans expect value for money when they go to games, which is why all the stadia have big screens, mascots etc.
They also tend to create a family environment to encourage families to come along. (apart from the bleachers where the real hard-core fans reside). :norty:
mardyChris
20-09-2002, 14:44
Everone loves baseball...Even the hillbilly’s. Take a look at www.cnn.com when you get a chance. Last night two knuckleheads in Chicago jumped onto the field and started beating up a coach. There is a link to 8-10 pictures next to the story- phenomenal photos! The guy looks like Charles Manson.
biggerman
20-09-2002, 14:56
:shocker:
ed rooney
20-09-2002, 15:35
Saw that on espn.com this morning - they look a pleasant couple.:oh-hum:
Jesus, sounds like total madness! Hope C5 show us the footage on Sunday! :p
Have been a fan for a couple of years and had no particular team until last years World Series. I then decided to support the underdog D'backs against the Yankees. Boy am I glad I did, in what was the one of the most exciting sporting events that I have seen for years!! :clap:
Since then I'm a D'backs fan all the way.:D
Originally posted by biggerman
Sports in Europe could learn a lot from baseball, in how to promote their games and also how to entertain the fans when they are in the venue.
Until the fat cats get involved with the money side of things and screw the fans over resulting in strikes. If you thought the money in Football (Soccer:rolleyes: ) is bad the state of baseball is shocking.
On a different note, my friend should be pitching for Greece in the Olympics in 2004:clap:
From the CNN site
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On Sept. 28, 1995, Cubs reliever Randy Myers was charged by a 27-year-old bond trader who ran out of the stands at Wrigley Field. Myers saw the man coming, dropped his glove and knocked him down with his forearm.
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:lol: :clap: :rocker:
ed rooney
24-09-2002, 10:07
Just watched the game taped from Sunday and they showed the footage of the coach being attacked - complete nutters. At one stage they seemed to be hitting one another.
As for the live game the Twins seem to be in free-fall now that they've won the division - I can't see them beating any of the other 3 teams in the AL.
Oakland seem to have pulled away from the Angels wehich means they won't meet the Yankees until the League Championship round.
In the NL I think Los Angeles, despite their come from behind win against San Diego, need to win their remaining 6 games to have a chance of catching San Francisco.
:dork: :D
hometown38
24-09-2002, 21:03
Just watched the game taped from Sunday and they showed the footage of the coach being attacked - complete nutters. At one stage they seemed to be hitting one another.
I saw this as well . Quite unbelievable.
Mind you the Kansas bench really laid into them when they finally reached them :clap:
More on this story Here (http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/0921/1434838.html)
ed rooney
25-09-2002, 13:20
Looks like the Dodgers may have blown it after losing to Colorado last night - they're now 3 back of the Giants with only 5 games to go.
The D'Backs have now lost 5 straight and had it confirmed that Luis Gonzalez is out for the rest of the year with a separated shoulder, adding to the loss of pitcher Brain Anderson. This hurts their offense in a major way and puts more pressure on Schilling and Johnson. They may be able to get through the first round of the play-offs but I think they will struggle in the League Championship game.
D'Backs just won't have the depth to beat say the Atlanta Braves in the playoffs unless Batista really pitches like a man possessed. My tip for the World Series is still Atlanta vs Yankees. The only team who could be able to beat the Yanks is the Oakland A's and hopefully they will meet in the American League championship game. Should be fantastic seeing Clemens vs Zito or Mussina vs Mulder :thumbs:
ed rooney
25-09-2002, 13:43
Based on this year's performances Zito and Mulder are far superior but the Yankees do have that aura about them and the experience - let's face it the A's blew it last year in the play-offs against the Yankees.
Lets hope having been there before they can learn from their mistakes 'cos I hate the yankees (and the Braves).
ed rooney
02-10-2002, 10:36
Play-off started last night - results below;
Twins 7 Athletics 5
Yankees 8 Angels 5
Cardinals 12 D'Backs 2
A couple of upsets, plus the Yankees needed to come from behind to win.
In other news, Mets manager Bobby Valentine has been made the scapegoat for a very poor perfomance and has been sacked. Personally I think the players should take more blame.
Originally posted by ed rooney
Play-off started last night - results below;
Twins 7 Athletics 5
Yankees 8 Angels 5
Cardinals 12 D'Backs 2
A couple of upsets, plus the Yankees needed to come from behind to win.
Incredible result that in Arizona - the Big Unit was just destroyed by the Cardinals! And Hudson loosing to the Twins? I thought an Oakland win was an absolute lock but just goes to show how amazing Playoffs can be in Sport! No change with those Yankees - every season, they seem to stare defeat in the face and somehow avoid it nearly every single time! :p
ed rooney
02-10-2002, 20:34
Get out of my thread. This threads for local people. :nuts:
Who'd have thought that the most dominating pitcher in baseball could get hammered like that. Doubt they can make it two in a row as Schilling has been awesome this season.
Here's hoping the Angels can turn things round tonight as I hate them Yankees.
[hint]I'll have to keep off the sports sites 'til after I've watched the game "as live" on Thursday night.[hint]
Originally posted by ed rooney
Who'd have thought that the most dominating pitcher in baseball could get hammered like that. Doubt they can make it two in a row as Schilling has been awesome this season..
I'm not too sure on Schilling at the mo - last few starts, he has been beaten up pretty bad giving up hits and runs all over the place. Plus that relief appearence on Sunday again made Curt look in pretty poor pitching form. Though he could just be fooling us all into thinking he's cold coming into the Post Season when he suddenly turns the form back on again! :p
ed rooney
03-10-2002, 09:14
Result below for the Braves/Giants game (I'm avoiding last nights games 'til I watch the game I taped)
Giants 8 Braves 5 :clap:
Yankees/Angels last night was absolutely fantastic - really though the Yanks had it wrapped up with the bases loaded in the 8th inning but then Jeter gets that rather dodgy call on the 3rd strike but that takes nothing away from the Angels, they were better in all departments and it leaves this series looking wideopen now going back to Anaheim - hope the Yankees get a split there giving us game 5 live on Five on Sunday night!
ed rooney
03-10-2002, 16:52
Sorry John, daren't read it - I'll check tomorrow. :)
Originally posted by ed rooney
Sorry John, daren't read it - I'll check tomorrow. :)
All I'll tell you is that it was a great game of Baseball ;)
ed rooney
04-10-2002, 09:55
You were right John a fantastic game (except for the fact that my tape ran out one out into the bottom of the 9th).
I seriously thought the Angels had blown it with that error in the middle of the game. The back to back home runs had me out of my seat. :clap:
Off to check last night's scores now.
ed rooney
04-10-2002, 11:05
Cardinals beat the D'Backs 2-1 - the D'Backs are in really bad shape now.
The Braves levelled their series by beating the Giants 7-2. However, they'd probably be pleased with a split in Atlanta.
hometown38
05-10-2002, 18:42
Angels 9 - 6 Yankees
Yankees were 6-1 up in the third at one point !
I reckon that the Angels are going to kick the yankees out of the playoffs today .
Superb performance from Anahiem.
I'd be absolutely shocked if the Yankees don't level this up tonight - they are always at their most dangerous when staring danger in the face
OH MY GOD - Yankees beaten 9-5 by the Angels and are eliminated from the playoffs 3-1! What a shocker! :eek:
Twins beat the Oakland 11-2 to tie the series at 2-2
Braves whack the Giants 10-2 to lead 2-1 and game 4 should be the live game on C5 tomorrow night with Glavine looking to close out the series and after revenge after his rather poor performence in game 1
hometown38
06-10-2002, 11:11
OH MY GOD - Yankees beaten 9-5 by the Angels and are eliminated from the playoffs 3-1! What a shocker!
I not at all surprised to be honest.
The Yankees pitching rotation has just not performed well enough, they have all the so - called big guns but they were very dissapointing.
Congratulations to the Angels.
And now the Diamondbacks are out of the playoffs beaten 6-3 by the Cardinals! :p
Jesus, Oakland beaten 5-4 by the Twins and are now eliminated from the playoffs by 3-2 - what an amazing start to the playoffs!
Who on earth would have predicted an Anaheim/Minnesota AL Divisional Championship game! :eek:
ed rooney
07-10-2002, 09:57
Amazing results.
Looking forward to the taped "live" game tonight - so no spoilers. :nono:
Come on you Giants. :clap:
ed rooney
08-10-2002, 09:40
Well for anyone that's interested following the Giants win on Sunday night:
The Giants won the decider 3-1 last night and move on to play the Cardinals. This means that the underdogs won all four series.
Personally, I'm rooting for the Twins just so they can stick it up Bud Selig who wanted to eliminate the team.
I'd love for either Barry Bonds to get that World Series win he deserves or the Cardinals after their season of torment - whoever wins the NL gets my support in the World Series :thumbs:
ed rooney
08-10-2002, 15:16
I know what you're saying John - there's many different reasons to support the various teams - very tricky.
No one team looks to be over powering in any department which makes it all the more remarkable that they won in the divisional championships.
PS - Bonds does seem to be stuck up his own @rse a bit as well.
Originally posted by ed rooney
PS - Bonds does seem to be stuck up his own @rse a bit as well.
I think he has the game to back up the attitude! :thumbs:
ed rooney
09-10-2002, 09:19
Result from ALCS below:
Twins 2 Angels 1, pitcher Joe Mays didn't allow an earned run :dork:
ed rooney
11-10-2002, 09:23
what's the current situation mr rooney?
ed rooney
11-10-2002, 09:25
I'm not sure 'ed' I'll check out espn.com later and find out - I'm sure there's loads of people out there who need to know too :|
ed rooney
11-10-2002, 09:27
can't wait mr rooney
ed rooney
11-10-2002, 09:56
here you go ed (and everyone else) :| :
Giants 4 Cardinals 1
Series situation:
Giants 2-0
Twins/Angels 1 each
ed rooney
11-10-2002, 16:35
Thanks for the info mr rooney :thumbs:
ed rooney
14-10-2002, 10:10
Angels win the series 4-1 and advance to the World Series.
I'll watch the Giants/Cardinals game from last night tonight. :)
Another great game last night - decided that whoever wins the St Louis/San Francisco series will become my new adopted team for the future :thumbs:
ed rooney
15-10-2002, 10:04
San Francisco are in the WS - they beat the Cardinals 2-1 with Kenny Lofton driving in the winning run in the bottom of the ninth.
TBH I think I'll be rooting for the Angels. Josh Chetwin made a telling comment on Sun night i.e. Bonds would probably not give up his individual achievements if it meant winning a WS, therefore I don't feel any sentimental reason to want him to win it.
Like Mr Rooney I'll be supporting the Angels for the simple reason I can't stand the arrogant Bonds.
Come on Giants - thats 2 San Francisco teams I'll be backing with my dear 49ers in the NFL who I've been backing for years and now its the Giants for the future in MLB!
Only just noticed this thread :p
Anyway I'm backing the Giants, cos I predicted they'd win it at the begining of the season :)
Originally posted by Ravioli
Only just noticed this thread :p
Anyway I'm backing the Giants, cos I predicted they'd win it at the begining of the season :)
Better than Johnny Gould's predicition for the Cubs being in the playoffs! :lol:
Let's hope the Rally Monkey is kept busy on Saturday,http://anaheim.angels.mlb.com/ana/photo/wallpaper/monkey1_800x600b.jpg.Jarrod Washburn for the Angles and Jason Schmidt for the Giants will be the game 1 starters.
ed rooney
18-10-2002, 13:25
Go rally monkey. :clap:
Anyway, not long to go now. Hopefully it'll be as exciting as last year and go the distance, with the Angels coming out on top. :)
Another fantastic game for the viewers and:
GO GIANTS! Washburn looked shaky all game and was lucky to avoid a pounding off the SF hitters. Schmidt didn't look too much better but managed to pitch his out of trouble in just about every inning!
WOW - what a game last night, the best I've seen all season!
I just knew they left Felix Rodriguez in just a little too long and it cost the Giants big time. Francisco Rodriguez though just destroyed SF in the middle innings looking and will surely become one of the most feared pitchers in MLB. Great to see Bonds slam another one out of the park against Percival in the top of the 9th - its just an awesome sight when he unleashes on a pitch that'd probably lead to an out for about 99% of hitters! :p
hometown38
21-10-2002, 21:16
Wow :eek:
Just finished watching last nights game (i had to video tape it )
The tape ran out just after Tim Salmon homered in the bottom of the 8th !#
The game ran just sort of 4 hours and i knew that the bloody tape was going to run out before the end !
That was probably one of the best games of baseball i have ever seen .
It had everything.
Just to think that the Angels were 5-0 up after the 1st innings :eek:
After last years brilliant world series i did'nt think this one could possibly match it but so far it's been superb.
ed rooney
22-10-2002, 09:31
I'm having to watch the games the evening after too. I tried to stay up Saturday with feeble results.
Anyway two great games. The pitching has been hit and miss to say the least - poor starters then great relievers. It was obvious that Rodriguez was cooked for the Giants and should have been removed.
Rodriguez for the Angels was fantastic though. I don't think the camera can truly show the amount of movement he gets on some of his pitches. There seemed to be one that started out at the batter and ended up taking the outside corner - unbelievable.
Also Bonds summed it up for me with his home-run. Yes, it was awesome but I don't think it was necessary for the pose, not least because it didn't even tie the game. He did try hard in the dug-out to look as if he was cheering Santiago on when you just know he was still creaming himself about his home-run.
Go Angels.
ed rooney
23-10-2002, 15:41
Not seen last nights game yet but saw the player introductions and Bonds excelled himself yet again - whereas all the other players went down the entire group and "high-fived" he just ran straight to his position. :rolleyes: :oh-hum:
Anyone who wants the Giants to win because of Bonds ought to rethink.
:|
:dork:
People like Bonds make US sports more interesting - people like him, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Charles Barkley are the personalities that people loved to hate! Things would be dull without these guys who just know they are amongst the best around
Knowing how the other Giant's feel about him,they'd probably blank Bonds anyway.
ed rooney
24-10-2002, 09:57
Well watched game 3 last night and it lacked the drama of the first two - at least the Angels won.
Bonds smacked another homer and gave it the pose - ***.
Hopefully a situation will arise where an Angels pitcher can hit him. :nuts:
ed rooney
25-10-2002, 10:13
All tied up at 2-2.
Not that anyone cares. :(
Keeps me amused though. :nuts: :dork:
Terrible performence by Anaheim last night - they got totally destroyed by the Giants and just cannot see any way possible for them to beat SF twice even if both final games are at home for the Angels. Great to see Jeff Kent finally hitting and even Barry was getting excited (well for him!) last night!
What a rather flat end to a fantastic World Series - Giants were beaten from the start and never looked like winning the game. That shattering defeat on Saturday night just ripped the heart out of them and as soon as Livan Hernandez let the Angels get in the lead in the 3rd, you could sense it was over.
Also seems likely that was Josh Chetwynd's final game as the C5 analyst - shame cos he and Johnny Gould work so well with each other. Hope the new replacement (if one is actually needed) is just as good as Josh and Todd were!
hometown38
28-10-2002, 21:05
Just finished watching.
Well done to the Angels , i think they deserved to win.
An excellent World Series , watched all 7 games and enjoyed every one of them.
Loved the Lord Of The Rings and the rally monkey thing in game 6, hilarious.]
Another 5 months to wait until next season.
I really hope Channel 5 continue their excellent coverage next year but i have a horrible feeling that it will all come to an end at some stage.
Just one further thought, anybody else think that this loss will haunt Barry Bonds for the rest of his days?
In game 6 he must have thought he was on course for a World Series Ring and then ..... Bam!
The Angels turn it around !
Dave 3:16
28-10-2002, 21:25
That was my email (at the end after the presentation) that was read out, commenting on the is it/isn't it a wig on top of johnny's head :lol: :rocker:
ed rooney
29-10-2002, 09:43
Just caught up (always one day behind).
Well Saturdays game was awesome - what an exciting comeback. Plus the greatest player flapping around in the outfield. :oh-hum:
I slightly disagree about game 7 being a bit flat (only incomparison to game 6). The way the pitching had gone in the series there was always the possibility that it would breakdown again so it was edge of the seat stuff in that respect. Plus there was the tying run at the plate in the 9th.
Overall pleased that the Angels won and I don't feel too sorry for Bonds. If he was less arrogant then I would but he just seems to rub people the wrong way e.g. posing after home runs, even trying to "bare-hand" balls when he should use his glove.
Dave :thumbs: - if it wasn't a wig he'd definitely used way too much hairspray. And how did you manage to stay awake, I lasted until the 3rd.
I like baseball but don't watch much. I happened to TiVo game six and watched it Sunday afternoon afer mi dish got blown out of alignment. What a game, the fightback by the Angels was fantastic, the response in the ninth and then the final game by the Giants was pathetic. Game six will be remembered for years to come.
ed rooney
31-10-2002, 10:19
Page 2 :nono:
Now the WS is over the exciting stuff starts i.e. trades etc
Big managerial news for me (a Mets fan) is Art Howe has left Oakland to move to New York. To say his welcome by the NY press has been a bit frosty is a severe understatement. :oh-hum:
Several other teams have changed managers - more later. :)
The Cleveland Indians have appointed Eric Wedge as manager who at 34 is the youngest manager since 1985.It only seems 5 minutes since I was after his rookie card.Also Ken Macha is the new Oakland coach whilst Ned Yost is the new Brewers manager.
ed rooney
31-10-2002, 11:36
Don't forget Lou Pinella to Tampa Bay and Buck Showalter had already gone to Texas.
It wouldn't be a massive surprise if Dusty Baker ended up elsewhere either, possibly the Cubs.
'Sweet Lou' being a Florida native should be a good match for Tampa.There's lots of good potential free agents this off season including Roger Clemens,Greg Maddux,Tom Glavine and Jeff Kent.Dusty Baker is top of the Cubbies wanted list the general mamger has been given the authority to make whatever offer it takes to get Dusty.
ed rooney
31-10-2002, 14:45
Lou must really want to be near his family 'cos Tampa Bay are terrible at the mo'.
The problem with those free agents are that they are old. It's possible that they will decline next year, and definitely will if given a mult-year contract. I think Edguardo Alfonzo is a free agent as well and he'd make a much better bet than Kent.
I don't know about you but Dusty didn't seem that great a manager during the WS - some of his decisions were questionable including using the dug-out as a creche.
I think Dusty would be a good fit for the Cubbies,while he didn't set the world alight in the World Series I think he would do a good job.Ryne Sandberg approached the Cubs management about the vacancy but they want somebody with experience.If Dusty dosen't join the Cub's I wouldn't mind seeing Bobby Valentine take over.
Dave 3:16
31-10-2002, 22:18
Originally posted by ed rooney
Dave :thumbs: - if it wasn't a wig he'd definitely used way too much hairspray. And how did you manage to stay awake, I lasted until the 3rd.
2 cafetieres full of strong black coffee, half a pack of pro plus, and a couple of mates who adhered the 'punch me in the arm if look sleepy' pact :D
ed rooney
05-11-2002, 12:03
Dave, I take it you frequent the Channel Five forums then - what are they like, busy etc?
[news] Yankees looking to trade for Mike Hampton from Colorado which is ironic 'cos he moved from NY 'cos he said the schools were inferior - nothing to do with money then. :|
Originally posted by ed rooney
nothing to do with money then. :|
You cynic! :p
OTHER NEWS:
Randy Johnson wins the CY Young award (http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1105/1456228.html)
Yankees considering trading away Andy Pettite (http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1105/1456199.html)
Eric Hinske of Toronto has been voted the AL Rookie of the Year while Jason Jennings of Colorado claimed the NL award.
ed rooney
07-11-2002, 11:26
Giants not bringing back Baker (http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1106/1457108.html)
It's amazing how these personality clashes are deemed so important even when the manager is successful.
Also, rumoured that Seattle aren't interested which leaves (I believe) only the Cubs for Baker.
Seattle's GM Pat Gillick announced that the Mariners have selected four finalists in their effort to replace Lou Piniella.They are Jim Riggleman,Buddy Bell,Bob Melvin and Sam Perlozzo.
ed rooney
07-11-2002, 14:08
No bidding war for Dusty then - he won't be happy. :|
It looks like the Mets and Yankees are after Tom Glavine,while Texas want to bring the Rocket back home.
Originally posted by kjn6371
It looks like the Mets and Yankees are after Tom Glavine,while Texas want to bring the Rocket back home.
Don't think the Yankees can decide what they want to do - one day its they want to get a younger, fresher rotation then the next they are after older pitchers like Glavine and Jamie Moyer :p
There's not many quality lefties like Glavine and Moyer around,so it makes sense that they're sought after.
ed rooney
12-11-2002, 10:41
Originally posted by kjn6371
It looks like the Mets and Yankees are after Tom Glavine,while Texas want to bring the Rocket back home.
Ooh, thanks for that interesting news - makes you wonder why Art Howe left Oakland though. They have a fantastic young rotation whereas the Mets seem to be using a patch work method. :oh-hum:
Personally I think they'd be better off writing off next season and building for the future.
I get the feeling that Art entering into the final year of his contract felt he wouldn't be offered another by the A's so he went with the 4 year contract with the Mets.
ed rooney
12-11-2002, 15:52
I get the feeling that you know your stuff kjn6371 :thumbs:
Cheers ed :thumbs:.Miguel Tejada of the A's has won the AL MVP while Barry Bonds won in the NL.Feel a bit sorry for Alex Rodriguez after his great season of 57 homers and 147 ribbies.
ed rooney
13-11-2002, 09:56
Maybe counting his $250 million will ease his pain. :lol:
I tend to think that you lean towards someone who's has contributed to an overall team effort - I believe Tejada inspired the A's to success - didn't he hit two consecutive game winning hits to keep their streak going?
A-Rod is simply the best hitter (why the Mets didn't sign him I'll never know - he would even have come for less money) but plays on a lame team.
Bonds was a "no-brainer". Even when he's not getting pitched to he still influences the game. He's still stuck up his own @rse though. :D
According to ESPN the Diamondbacks are after Greg Maddux,imagine there starting rotation next season - Johnson,Schilling and then Maddux.Most teams have trouble putting one ace out on the mound Arizona could have three :nuts:.
ed rooney
13-11-2002, 12:27
As long as their arms don't fall off!
What players do you like ed,my dream squad from watching baseball since 1986 would be:
C-Carlton Fisk.
1b-Mark Grace.
2b-Ryne Sandberg.
3b-Mike Schmidt.
SS-Cal Ripken.
LF-Rickey Henderson.
CF-Kirby Puckett.
RF-Tony Gwynn.
DH-Paul Molitor.
SP-Jack Morris (RH).
SP-Tom Glavine (LH).
RP-Dennis Eckersley.
Mgr-Tony LaRussa.
I like players who have had long careers and consistently put up the numbers.
ed rooney
13-11-2002, 20:07
As a stop gap I'd say....
...the '86 Mets. :dork:
I'll have a proper think on Thursday...
...at work. :lol:
I've only got PAYG at home. :|
PS - nice idea :thumbs:
ed rooney
14-11-2002, 11:00
Still thinking but one observation about that team is that it lacks power - the obvious candidates being Mcguire, Sosa and Bonds.
I think there's enough power with the likes of Schmidt,Pudge and Ryno,there's a good mixture between power and speed plus great fielders.The 86 Mets were a great team with players like Gary Carter,Keith Hernandez,Dwight Gooden,Lenny Dykstra and Daryl Strawberry.
ed rooney
14-11-2002, 14:07
Dwight Gooden was such a waste of talent.
I've been racking my brains for this team thing but keep thinking I'm just selecting players that I know rather than the best - you seem to be much more knowledgeable. :oh-hum:
ps Felipe Alou is the new Giants manager
ed rooney
14-11-2002, 14:13
Work in progress, plus victim of recent player/fresh in memory syndrome:
C-Mike Piazza
1b-Mark McGuire.
2b-Roberto Alomar.
3b-Mike Schmidt.
SS-Alex Rodriguez.
LF-Rickey Henderson.
CF-Griffey (pre-Reds!!!) ??
RF- Sosa??
DH-Barry Bonds.
SP-Greg Maddux. (RH)
-Randy Johnson (LH)
RP-Dennis Eckersley.
Nice squad ed,good choices with Piazza and Alomar.Roberto's a great player,but as a Cub's fan I couldn't leave Ryno out.Cheers for the Alou news,back where he started out as a player.A very under-rated manager who did a good job with the Expos.
ed rooney
14-11-2002, 16:31
Griffey added. :|
Need more research needed tho' :dork: as obviously he's tailed off badly, to such an extent that he's available for trade.
Yeah a shame about Griffey,when he first burst onto the scene everyone thought he'd be the one player to break Hank Aaron's homer record.I hope he overcomes his injury troubles to become the dominant player he once was.
Bob Melvin has been named as the new manager of the Mariners.And as expected Dusty Baker is the new Cubbies manager.
Mike Hampton has been traded to the Braves which looks like the end of Glavine.Tom now looks set to be a Met who have offered him a three year contract.
ed rooney
18-11-2002, 10:01
Originally posted by kjn6371
Mike Hampton has been traded to the Braves which looks like the end of Glavine.Tom now looks set to be a Met who have offered him a three year contract. Must have good schools in Atlanta then. :rolleyes: :D
Not quite sure what to make of the move to be honest. Hampston was a very good pitcher but you just wonder whether Coor Field has affected him.
Also, do the Braves know something about Glavine??? and will he turn out to be another high-price "veteran" for the Mets. :oh-hum:
What do you reckon to the appointment of Baker at your Cubs? Good move me thinks - the Giants weren't the best team in the world and he still took them to the Series.
I think Dusty will do a good job with the Cubbies,they've got the makings of a good squad with a lot of good young pitchers.
Hampton going to Atlanta was a bit of surprise.
So what now for Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux.... can't see Atlanta being able to afford to keep both players (even though it looks like The Rockies and Marlins are picking up a lot of Hampton's wage bill) :)
Welcome to the thread GarFra.Glavine wants to stay in the NL but on the east coast to be near his family so the Mets and Phillies are favourite while there's talk of Maddux going back to the Cubs.Personally I think Maddux will stay at Atlanta I cant see the Braves losing two quality pitchers.
Originally posted by kjn6371
Personally I think Maddux will stay at Atlanta I cant see the Braves losing two quality pitchers.
I read somewhere that Maddux is after a 5 year contact!!... Somehow I can't see even Maddux getting that after all he will be 37 when the new season starts.
I would like to see Atlanta somehow manage to keep a hold of Tom Glavine (can't imagine him in anything other than a Braves uniform).
Maddux going back to the Cubs now that would be interesting to see especially now with Dusty Baker as the new manager (although I think Dusty certainly has his work cut out for him there).
Thanks for the welcome btw :p
Maddux would be a good fit with the Cubbies he could help bring on the young pitchers we have.
kjn6371 & ed rooney Interesting player choice for your dream squads.
Has got me thinking of what mine would be I suspect it will be made up from players I have seen since baseball has been on Ch5 (or Five ) and even then it'll probably be made up of players that I like.
:lol:
ed rooney
19-11-2002, 11:52
kjn6371 is way geekier than me. :p
I think he's being following baseball a bit longer and in a bit more depth than myself, as his team indicates. Wish I had more historical knowledge.
Anyway, welcome to the thread GarFra - three's a crowd. :D
Thanks ed rooney
My dream team is coming along slowly (and as I suspected full of people I like)....... I gotten so sad I am now trying to justify why I should include or exclude them!!! :rolleyes:
Originally posted by ed rooney
kjn6371 is way geekier than me. :p
How dare you ed :nono: :p ,look forward to seeing your dream team GarFra and ed have you made any changes to yours?.
ed rooney
19-11-2002, 13:28
Not yet - if I get some spare time I might start trawling mlb.com for stats. :dork:
ed have you seen that at mlb.com you can buy the 1986 World Series Game 6 on DVD?.There's a few other World Series DVD's I wouldn't mind picking up.I've tried to find them elsewhere for a price comparision but no luck,they might be exclusive to mlb.com.
ed rooney
19-11-2002, 15:51
I've not seen it on the site but I'm off to NY next week so I might check out a shop or two - I definitely want a shirt. All depends I how much spare time I've got tho'.
Have a great time ed :thumbs:.Matt Williams could be on his way to the Rockies,he's one player I would have loved to have seen play for the Cubbies who haven't had a good third base man since Ron Santo.
Ok.... Here is my Dream Team (currently), Like I said mainly players I have enjoyed watching since baseball started on Ch5.
:)
C - Sandy Alomar
1B - Mark McGwire
2B - Roberto Alomar
3B - Cal Ripken
SS - Alex Rodriguez
LF - Barry Bonds
CF - Andruw Jones
RF - Sammy Sosa
SP - Pedro Martinez (RH)
SP - Randy Johnson (LH)
RP - Robb Nen (RH)
CL - Mariano Rivera (RH)
DH - Tony Gwynn
Mgr - Bobby Cox
Originally posted by ed rooney
I've not seen it on the site but I'm off to NY next week so I might check out a shop or two - I definitely want a shirt. All depends I how much spare time I've got tho'.
Jammy so-and-so :D
You HAVE to find the time to get a shirt :)
Nice squad GarFra a nice mixture.It would be interesting to see mine,yours and ed's go head to head.
Originally posted by kjn6371
Nice squad GarFra a nice mixture.It would be interesting to see mine,yours and ed's go head to head.
When you consider that all 3 of us have picked some players the same if all 3 of our picks were to go head-to-head... there would be quite a few players knackered!!! :p
They'd be whizzing around like Bugs Bunny in the cartoon where he plays all the posistions :lol:.
ed rooney
20-11-2002, 09:47
GarFra - nice line-up. :thumbs:
The only one that I can think you should reconsider is the catcher.
Oh, and your love of the Braves is worrying. :D
hehe at least my catcher can throw the baseball to 2nd base and actually hope to be there before the runner....... Piazza is an ok catcher.... but he gives away to many free passes to 2nd base.
The catching position is still one I am considering changing, but until I can think of someone better Sandy stays... he at least gets to play with his brother again :)
Showed my team to a mate and he says I should consider calling them 'Egos Outfield' :p
Me a braves fan??? whatever gave you that idea??? :shocker:
ed rooney
20-11-2002, 11:38
Originally posted by GarFra
hehe at least my catcher can throw the baseball to 2nd base and actually hope to be there before the runner....... Piazza is an ok catcher.... but he gives away to many free passes to 2nd base.
If I was really geeky I would create this fantastic equation* which show that Mike Piazza has a +31 runs differential compared to other catchers even when factoring in the number of stolen bases he gives up. :dork: :nuts:
Originally posted by GarFra
Me a braves fan??? whatever gave you that idea??? :shocker:
Cox as manager over Torre.
Jones in CF.
Discussion of Maddux/Glavine/Hampton made me suspicious - guess I was wrong tho'.
* someone will actually have done this.:dork: :oh-hum:
Originally posted by ed rooney
If I was really geeky I would create this fantastic equation* which show that Mike Piazza has a +31 runs differential compared to other catchers even when factoring in the number of stolen bases he gives up. :dork: :nuts:
Thats the great thing about statistics..... you can get them to do almost anything you want. :p
Originally posted by ed rooney
Cox as manager over Torre.
Both Torre and Cox are great managers, I just feel that Cox is sometimes overlooked about how good a manager he is due to everyone commenting on the great pitching that Atlanta has.
Originally posted by ed rooney
Jones in CF.
The choice of Jones in CF this is purely down to his abilities in the Outfield as I figure that he would be able to cover more ground and so provide aid to both Bonds and Sosa in the outfield, it also happens that he has started to hit better last season (still streaky though).
Originally posted by ed rooney
Discussion of Maddux/Glavine/Hampton made me suspicious - guess I was wrong tho'.
I enjoy watching great pitching and pitchers who can (to a fashion bat) and I have always enjoyed watching Hampton, it hasn't been nice to watch/hear about all the troubles he has had pitching, hopefully the move to Atlanta will get him back to his old self.
As for the team I support..... now that is the difficult question to answer.... I haven't really got a team that I can say I support (unlike in the NFL where I support the Redskins), but if push comes to shove I would probably say Cleveland Indians (but I do like the Braves and Red Socks) :nuts:
Originally posted by ed rooney
* someone will actually have done this.:dork: :oh-hum:
You can almost count on that! :lol:
ed rooney
20-11-2002, 14:51
Rob Neyer on espn.com is quite an interesting read on stats and other things.
Sometime you wonder whether they over-analyse things tho'.
The Rockies and Diamondbacks have agreed to swap Larry Walker for Matt Williams,it's just up to the players to ok it.Neyer's good on espn,Jayson Stark writes good articles as well.
Larry Walker for Matt Williams I know they both have 'no trade' clauses in their current contracts..... What I have always wondered is do they still have a 'no trade' clause if they agree to the trade and are traded.... what I mean is will they still have 'no trade' clause with their repective new teams?
GarFra I think they would have still have a 'no trade' clause with their new teams because they're veteran players.If a player's been in the league for a number of years they have certain rights regarding contracts.
All these trades and happenings in the close-season I wish channel 5 would do a programme (or two) to keep everyone up to date with whats happening. :)
Is there a deadline for when all trades have to be made by?
ed rooney
21-11-2002, 13:22
What's the deal with that trade i.e. what was the reason behind it?
GarFra - you could try the internet to follow the trades. ;)
Seriously though, I know what you mean regarding the updates. All it takes is a few days off the net and you can miss things. I still get a little publication called Baseball Briefing which is weekly during the season then monthly during the offseason.
Espn.com used to an excellent trade rumour page. However, I think you have to subscribe now.
The new American Sports channel on Sky may provide what you're after - there's a thread about it somewhere.
Is baseball briefing the one that used to get advertised during the ad breaks on ch5 ??
I been searching the internet for trade stuff as i find the mlb site a bit bland about that kind of thing. In the end I found http://www.baseballnewsstand.com/ and have been checking that out each day.
And just read that Thome has been visiting the Cubs!!
It would be great if the Cubbies landed Thome,who grew up a Cubs fan but the Phillies look determined to get him.I used to subscribe to Baseball Briefing before I went online,now I can probably find out all the info I need via the net.
Thome is a player I really like..... if ever a man puts everything he has into a swing of a baseball bat.
Would be really sad to see him leave Cleveland, but Phillies seem to be on a mission to get their man (if he is to leave Cleveland, I would like to see him go to the Cubs).
First baseball game I ever saw was a Cubs game, years ago when Ch4 had a one-off live game..... was great fun as people realised it was being broadcast to both the USA & UK and people started to send in hello messages to relatives and friends :)
The Phillies reckon that Thome will have the same impact as the signing of Pete Rose had 20 years ago.They've offered $75 million over 5 years,whereas Cleveland offered $45 million over 4 years.
I'd forgot all about that C4 Cubbies game,it was funny hearing Harry Carey try to pronounce places like Worcestershire :lol:.
ed rooney
21-11-2002, 15:31
Originally posted by GarFra
First baseball game I ever saw was a Cubs game, years ago when Ch4 had a one-off live game..... was great fun as people realised it was being broadcast to both the USA & UK and people started to send in hello messages to relatives and friends :) Presented by Mick Luckhurst IIRC.
Was a bit annoying 'cos it gave me false hope that Ch 4 would show it on a regular basis. :oh-hum:
Originally posted by kjn6371
I used to subscribe to Baseball Briefing before I went online,now I can probably find out all the info I need via the net. I've only really got the net at work so I only tend to check out the Mets stuff (R.I.P. Metsonline.net killed by coorporate scumbags) so BB allows me to get a more general pic.
Hope Thome goes to the Cubbies just so he not in the NL East.
:D
ed rooney
21-11-2002, 15:32
Isn't it about time we asked for a Baseball Forum - there's certainly the demand. :nuts:
ed Channel 4 did show baseball for a while in the late 80's /early 90's on a wednesday night IIRC,they certainly showed more than the one game.Do you remember the magazine First Base which was around the same time?.
Originally posted by ed rooney
Isn't it about time we asked for a Baseball Forum - there's certainly the demand. :nuts:
How about a polite request instead?
:D
ed rooney
21-11-2002, 16:11
Originally posted by kjn6371
ed Channel 4 did show baseball for a while in the late 80's /early 90's on a wednesday night IIRC,they certainly showed more than the one game.Do you remember the magazine First Base which was around the same time?.
Baseball Times - I've still got 'em at home.
I don't remember the games on Ch 4.
Petition for Baseball Forum:
ed rooney :dork:
kjn6371 :dork:
GarFra :dork:
:D
Originally posted by ed rooney
Petition for Baseball Forum:
ed rooney :dork:
kjn6371 :dork:
GarFra :dork:
:D
Boy are you two ugly!!! :dork:
Originally posted by kjn6371
ed Channel 4 did show baseball for a while in the late 80's /early 90's on a wednesday night IIRC,they certainly showed more than the one game.
I can honestly remember only one game on Channel 4 and that seemed to be around the time that Channel 4 had the live NFL as well and MLB was pushing for more coverage (sadly never happened).
All I can remember really about the game was it involved the Cubs and that the late Harry Carrey was commentating for Channel 4, he seemed to spend most of the time reading out hello messages :)
Then suddenly he disappeared .... It was the 7th innings stretch, next minute he turned up to lead the singing of 'Take me out to the ball game'
I think it was at that moment I was hooked :D
Garry
Got copies of Baseball Times as well,First Base preceded it.Do you two read autobiographies by any players?.Just finished the 'Goose is Loose' by Rich Gossage,very funny in places especially the stories involving the Yankees.
Thinking of Harry Carrey reminded of a story when Michael Jordan went into the booth,Harry got him confused with Michael Jackson and started asking him about his hit records.
Originally posted by kjn6371
Thinking of Harry Carrey reminded of a story when Michael Jordan went into the booth,Harry got him confused with Michael Jackson and started asking him about his hit records.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Yeah... the late great Harry
:D
Reading that actually made me laugh out loud
Originally posted by kjn6371
Do you two read autobiographies by any players?
Never actually thought to look for them!!!
Any recommendations??
Zim by Don Zimmer,The Mick by Mickey Mantle,Ball Four by Jim Bouton,Bottom of the Ninth by Kirk Gibson and If at First by Keith Hernandez.
ed rooney
21-11-2002, 20:58
Ball Four is brilliant.
Anything by Roger Angell I would highly recommend.
Got Cobb by Al Stump to read.
Tom Boswell writes some funny books as well.
ed rooney
22-11-2002, 15:34
Thumbs up for Boswell too.
Anyway keep up the good work. :thumbs:
Gonna 'accidently' add some of these books to my other half next book order from amazon..... if she doesn't notice figure she can pay for them :thumbs:
Nice one GarFra :thumbs:,hope you enjoy them.Let's keep the thread ticking over until ed comes back,although the way the Met's played last season he might end up staying there and making the team :D .
Are they really that desperate?? :eek:
Mind you it is the Mets so probably :lol:
Walker-Williams Trade appears to be dead for now. In the end both Walker & Williams refused to waive their 'no-trade clause'.
Walker didn't want to defer part of his salary into '03 & '04 (never knew they could do this!) and Williams didn't want to due to the situation regarding his children.
I remember when Williams was with Cleveland he was prepared to retire rather than to be away from and to raise his children, in the end he was traded to the Diamondback as he had requested. (Have always respected that he had and still has the interest of his children 1st and his baseball career 2nd).
Will be interesting to see how this one finishes as there is still talk that they might try and get this trade resurrected.
Not suprized Williams turned down the deal,he's got a few business intrests in the Arizona area and like you say he's a family man.If Matt did go to Colorado he would certainly be a starter so like you say things might develop.
It's been reported that the Mets,Rockies and Yankees have talked about a three way deal that would send Danny Neagle to the Mets.
Originally posted by kjn6371
It's been reported that the Mets,Rockies and Yankees have talked about a three way deal that would send Danny Neagle to the Mets.
Any idea what other players would be involved in this trade?
ESPN reports that Yankees outfielders Raul Mondesi and Rondell White and Mets outfielder Jeromy Burnitz also could be involved in the deal.
It appears that David Bell has signed a 4 year deal with the Philly's.
One down two to go it would appear of the three players thay have been chasing. Next up Glavine and Thome.
Getting interesting is this :)
The Phillies think Glavine will stay put at Atlanta while Cleveland are putting together a last ditch attempt to keep Thome.Like you say it's getting interesting.
Glavine - Can't say that I am surprised by what the Phillies think with regard to Glavine .... the whole time that he has been on the free agency market I have always had this feeling that he is using that fact to get the deal he is after from Atlanta.
Thome - Again, I think he wants to stay with Cleveland, but is after a deal for what he feels he is worth. Cleveland on the other hand appear to be trying to get him on a cheaper contact than they can really expect.
Is it just me or are the Phillies on a spend crazy spell, they must be expecting a heck of a lot of extra income from the new stadium to hope to cover these contacts.
If the Phillies somehow managed to get all 3 players!!!.... what an interesting season ahead for us all :)
The Phillies must feel they've got a good squad who just need a couple of players for them to compete with the Braves.It's a bold move and it would nice if it pays off for them.
Greg Maddux - What happening? .... Haven't heard anything about teams interested in him :|
Maddux's people are probably waiting for the Glavine situation to sort it self out.
Thome - It's interesting to read reports that the Indians have 'altered' their final offer to Thome and that he now wants to take the holidays to consider his decision.....
Glavine - he really is desperate for that 4th year on a contract isn't he :) he is determined to reach 300 wins before he calls it a day, I am really surprised at how little Atlanta are doing with regard to Glavine.
I think Thome will stay at Cleveland especially now the Tribe have made an increased offer.
It does seem strange the lack of effort on the Braves part regarding Glavine,perhaps something happened behind the scenes.
Would love for Thome to stay with Cleveland.... going to need a lot of help over the next few seasons are Cleveland.
I can understand Cleveland being nervious of offering big contracts to players.... not exactly worked out that in the past :(
But still Thome has shown year in year out his ability and hopefully he will be able to do so for several years to come.
Glavine thing does seem strange... wonder what is up there... Atlanta also seem to be very quiet with regard to Maddux also. Perhaps they have decided that neither player is worth the money they are asking for when you consider their ages right now and what age they will be when the contracts looking for would be expected to end. I think that who ever ends up with Glavine and Maddux might regret any lengthy deals they make in a few years down the line and trying to trade them on then will be near impossible with the new rules regarding players wages.
Ahhh the fun of the close season and trades :)
Eddie Murray,Lee Smith,Ryne Sandberg :notworthy and Fernando Valenzuela are among 17 players on baseball's Hall of Fame ballot for the first time this year.
Just read that on the mlb website.
Also see that they have waived the five seasons rule with regard to Darryl Kile.
Good pitcher that he was I don't think he was good enough to get in on the first attempt, but he might just get there with the feeling towards him at the moment.
So who do you think might get voted in this year?
Eddie Murray's a shoe-in with over 3,000 hits and 500 homers.I hope Gary Carter gets in this year,a great catcher who fully deserves the honour.And I hope Ryno gets in,a great fielder at second base plus a good clutch hitter.
Thome decides to join Phillies according to MLB.com site
:( Had really hoped he would stay with Cleveland.... at least now Cleveland will have the money to invest in the younger players over the coming season... but it is going to be a long road without Thome.
So the Phillies get their man.They look like a franchise to watch in the next few seasons,a good young and up and coming team soon to move into a new stadium similiar to the Indians when they moved into Jacobs Field.
I thought if the Phillies got 2 out of the 3 players they had set out to get they would have done well ... I think the fact that Thome and Bell at the Phillies makes them a very tempting team to join - Glavine next???
Dr Hfuhruhurr
04-12-2002, 20:29
Hi guys. Looks like it's been busy whilst I've been away.
Saves me looking at espn anyway. Phillies have improved massively.
I fear the Mets are slipping further back. :oh-hum:
Although we'll have less of the cheekiness. :nono:
Who may I ask are you Sir? ;).The Mets were never a real force though were they :).Hope you had a good time and did you get a jersey?.Oh and how do you pronounce your name?.
The Cubbies have been busy and traded Todd Hundley (C) to the Dodgers in exchange for Eric Karros (1b) and Mark Grudzielanek (2b).Karros should bring some leadership to the Cubs.They've also aquired reliever Mike Remlinger from the Braves.
I think the Cubs have done some good business there. Hundley just never seemed to get it together in his time at the Cubs. I like Karros and his style of playing and along with Remlinger joining it should make them a more competive team.
The way things are going it looks like all change at the Braves with all the pitching changes that are (and likely) to happen.
Dr Hfuhruhurr
05-12-2002, 09:31
Originally posted by kjn6371
Who may I ask are you Sir? ;).The Mets were never a real force though were they :).Hope you had a good time and did you get a jersey?.Oh and how do you pronounce your name?. I'm new round these here parts. :nuts: ;)
The Mets were awesome in '86. Then in 2000 they had the potential to go on and be really competitive and Steve Phillips went and cocked it up. Not resigning John Olerud was a major mistake which had knock-on repercusions for other postions. :oh-hum:
Phillips should have been dumped IMO.
NY was great - I'll have to go back during the season. Managed to get a shirt but I had to get a black one 'cos they were the only ones with names on the back. Black wasn't my prefered colour.
As for my name :nuts:
Dr Hfuhruhurr
05-12-2002, 09:57
Hasn't Hundley been stinking the place up at the Cubs?
As for the Dodgers players they are only really average for their positions.
Probably in the Cubs favour tho'.
Originally posted by Dr Hfuhruhurr
Hasn't Hundley been stinking the place up at the Cubs?
As for the Dodgers players they are only really average for their positions.
Probably in the Cubs favour tho'.
Hundley has been pretty poor, but a lot of that is down to injury I believe.
Dodgers players might as you say only be really average, but you have to remember they are going to a team where the manager has a talent for getting the most out of players.
Dr Hfuhruhurr
05-12-2002, 11:19
One thing that's just struck me - why do the Dodgers need Hundley when they've got Paul La Duca? :confused:
Perhaps there's some sort of salary dump/trade gone on.
I'll have to catch up on the US sites at some point to investigate.
There been a few weird trades lately..... just look at the
Keith Foulke from the White Soxs to Oakland Athletics for Billy Koch.
Dr Hfuhruhurr
05-12-2002, 11:34
That's an interesting one.
Have the Mets done anything?
Originally posted by Dr Hfuhruhurr
That's an interesting one.
Have the Mets done anything?
Sacked their manager
Hired a new one
Chased Glavine
Other than that not much :p
Dr Hfuhruhurr
05-12-2002, 11:47
I reckon it'll take several years to sort out the mess they've got into. :oh-hum:
Originally posted by Dr Hfuhruhurr
I reckon it'll take several years to sort out the mess they've got into. :oh-hum:
Perhaps, but at least they have taken the right step in the manager that they have hired... just look what he achieved with the resources he had.
Dr Hfuhruhurr
05-12-2002, 12:07
But Oakland still let him go.
Did we decide which team you followed? I remember you said something about it (not really anyone??) but it's way back in this thread.
Probably support Cleveland Indians more than any other team, but not really got a team.
Oakland let Art Howe go I suspect due to the fact that they had a replacement already working for the organisation in Ken Macha and so there would be little upheavel ... also the fact that Macha was being courted by quite a few teams when they were looking for new managers.
Reading about the A's White Sox trade,it seems the A's traded Billy Koch to save some money.It a shame when smaller market teams have to lose players in order to save on payroll.
Oakland general manager Billy Beane seems to know what he is doing.... always seems to get the best in any trades that he has made.
No wonder Boston tried to get him
Suprised Beane didn't go to Boston he would have done a great job with the franchise,especially after the mess Dan Duquette left behind.
Perhaps because of the mess that Dan Duquette made is the reason that Beane didn't go to Boston .... like I said he a smart cookie :p
Dr Hfuhruhurr
05-12-2002, 12:59
I leave you two alone for 2 mins and look what happens - a chat fest. :p
Good thinking GarFra :lol:.
From ESPN website
Rumor Central: Reds-Padres talking Griffey?
Dr Hfuhruhurr
05-12-2002, 13:17
But Griffey went to the Reds to be nearer home. :rolleyes: :D
Originally posted by Dr Hfuhruhurr
But Griffey went to the Reds to be nearer home. :rolleyes: :D
Yes but he forget to tell the Reds he planned to spend most of the season in his house!! :p
Roger Clemens is willing to wait for a offer from the Yankees.Although the Rangers want to offer the Texan native a contract,Roger wants to remain a Yankee.He's been said as wanting to win his 300th game in a Yankee uniform,he has at present 293 career victories.
Mets, Glavine agree on contract
Looks like Glavine has gotten what he has been after and has chosen to go to the Mets, I still find it very strange that Atlanta didn't try that hard to keep him (what do they know that no one else does).
The first Mets - Atlanta game he plays in is going to be 'interesting'.
I wonder if Atlanta will do now do the same with Maddux - not really try to keep him or now go after Maddux and keep him.
Dr Hfuhruhurr
06-12-2002, 10:29
:clap: or :oh-hum:
Not sure - he'll probably end up being an overpaid wash-up in a year or two.
This thread really is great - I don't even have to access other sites for my news updates (altho' I try to check 'em out when I can).
Thanks guys. :thumbs:
I agree I think that years 3 (and 4 if he reaches the targets set), could end up hurting the Mets.
I guess now that Glavine has gone to the Mets that the Phillies will now set their sights on finding another pictcher, Jamie Moyer perhaps?
I think Glavine will continue to be a good pitcher for a few more years.Even at 37 he's still putting up good numbers.Age is becoming less of a factor with all the medical advice and weights etc available to the players.
And thank you Doc for starting the thread :notworthy,it's nice to have the opportunity to chat about baseball.
Dr Hfuhruhurr
06-12-2002, 13:37
Originally posted by kjn6371
And thank you Doc for starting the thread :notworthy,it's nice to have the opportunity to chat about baseball. Do you think we should nominate it for thread of the year?
I predict no more than 3 votes. :D
Dr Hfuhruhurr
06-12-2002, 13:40
One thing I've never really understood is the concept of General Managers. Using the Mets as an example, Steve Phillips goes out and signs the players he wants and then presents them to Bobby Valentine. He then has to utilise them as best he can regardless of whether they fit in with his philosophy. Surely it makes sense to allow the manager to go and the players he wants.
Originally posted by Dr Hfuhruhurr
Do you think we should nominate it for thread of the year?
I predict no more than 3 votes. :D
Done :thumbs:.On the subject of GM's I imagine that managers will be involved in the deals.I know Tony LaRussa was heavily involved in that side of things when he was with the A's.Also in the NFL Mike Holmgren of the Seahawks as well as being Head Coach is also the GM and vice president of Football Operations.
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Dr Hfuhruhurr
06-12-2002, 14:47
:clap:
Doc did you buy any good books or souvenirs apart from your shirt while you were in NY?.
Dr Hfuhruhurr
06-12-2002, 15:21
I didn't really have much time to be honest - I only got the shirt by nipping into "Modells" near Macy's about an hour before I returned home.
If I'd had more time I'd have hunted out the Mets shop in Manhatten. I walked past a Yankees shop. :oh-hum:
Didn't get into any book shops either - bought some dirt cheap Levis tho' :)
Hope to head back there during next season so might be able to do a bit more browsing.
All my baseball books are from Sportspages in Manchester. I've still got several that are unread. Last one I bought was the David Cone/Roger Angel one. I have to say he's by far my favourite sports writer - very eloquent, poetic even. :dork:
I take it you've been to the States and taken in a game.
Yeah I've seen games in Chicago (Cubs and White Sox),Boston and San Francisco (Giants and A's).
I used to get my books from Sportspages in London either from going to the shop or through the mail but now I order from Amazon.I remember the first time I went to Sportspages in the early 90's,all those books I was like a kid in a sweet shop I spent a fortune :lol:.
Do you collect baseball cards or other memorabillia Doc?.
Dr Hfuhruhurr
06-12-2002, 15:42
Same here - I was a student in Manchester when they opened that branch - it was like my local library. I definitely spent more time in there than the college library. :D
You sound like a major fanatic - I guess I've only got 20 or so books and I don't collect cards or memorabilia. I'd like to but it's a case of funds and time.
One thing I'd quite like to get is the Baseball documentary done by Ken Burns - I bet you have it. :)
Im hoping Santa brings me the Ken Burns documentary :p.Sounds great doesn't it over 25 hours worth of material.
More about that Griffey trade,the Reds and Padres agreed to trade Ken for Phil Nevin but the deal collapsed when Nevin wouldn't trade his no-trade clause.I know Griffey's had injury problems the last few years but that IMO would have been a great deal for San Diego.
Makes you wonder why the allow players to have these no trade clauses :|
Seattle Mariners have managed to sign Olerud to a two-year $15.4 million contract.
I have yet to understand why the Mets ever let him go, a good solid player, perhaps not flashy, but he does his job with the minimum of fuss.
Nice description of Olerud GarFra,I've liked him since his days with the Blue Jays.Like you say he's not flashy but he consistently puts up solid numbers,very similar to Mark Grace another player I amire.
Texas have acquired Einar Diaz so it looks like goodbye to Ivan Rodriguez.
And it looks like Roger Clemens,Greg Maddux and Jamie Moyer will be staying where they are.
Can't say that Ivan Rodriguez will be leaving Texas will come as a surprise to anyone - the last 2 seasons he has been plagued with injuries .... perhaps now is the time for Rodriguez to move away from the catchers position? - can't see it happening this coming season, but he really does need to do it.
Any team that does take Rodriguez is going to have a fairly decent back-up pitcher as I suspect Rodriguez will only be able to play a certain amount of games at catcher.
I just wish they'd stop calling Rodriguez 'Pudge',there's only one 'Pudge' and that's Carlton Ernest Fisk :notworthy.Ivan would make a great 1b/DH.
Today is the deadline for teams to offer salary arbitration for their free agents.
Wonder if there will be any surprises?
Originally posted by kjn6371
Texas have acquired Einar Diaz so it looks like goodbye to Ivan Rodriguez.
Just been reading a piece on this trade involing the other players in this trade on the MLB website... a very interesting read with regard to Travis Hafner.
Cleveland are going through major upheaval at the moment, but I can see what they are trying to do. I still feel that Cleveland are suffering from some poor contacts to certain player from a few years back, clearly the have learnt from this, although (sadly) it did cost them retaining Thome.
Perhaps not for the next 2 seasons we can't expect much from Cleveland (would be nice though :)) ... but I get the feeling come 05-06 seasons that Cleveland again will be a force to be reckoned with.
Yesterdays Dallas Morning News ran a story that Ivan Rodriguez may be moving to the Cubs.And the Chicago Sun Times reports that Rodriguez is on Cubs General Manager Jim Hendry's wish list.
I have always thought that teams should have their catchers as the DH and have two catchers who are either power hitters or who have good on base percentage.... in that way they could share the wear and tear of the catchers position.
Rodriguez going to the Cubs, now that would make for some fun :)
A blockbuster trade has been rumoured involving the Red Sox,Dodgers and Expos.LA would send some minor league prospects to Montreal who would then send Vladimer Guererro to Boston and the Red Sox would send Nomar Garciaparra to LA.
Dr Hfuhruhurr
07-12-2002, 19:39
Originally posted by kjn6371
Im hoping Santa brings me the Ken Burns documentary :p.Sounds great doesn't it over 25 hours worth of material. Sorry, not around much out of work :lol: hours as I've only got PAYG dial-up at home. :(
Anyway, the documentary does sound great - one criticism I've read about it tho' is there a disproportionate focus on New York teams.
A quick look at my bookshelf reveals the following books:
A Pitcher's Story - David Cone/Roger Angell
Eight Men Out Eliot Asinof
Ball Four - Jim Bouton
A Nice Tuesday - Pat Jordan
The Head Game - Roger Kahn (currently reading and it's average)
Cobb - Al Stump
Others else where - will dig 'em out sometime.
Non-baseball but US sports and recommended:
Friday Night Lights - Bissinger (high school footbal)
Paper Lion - Plimpton (Pro-football 1960's ??)
Originally posted by kjn6371
A blockbuster trade has been rumoured involving the Red Sox,Dodgers and Expos.LA would send some minor league prospects to Montreal who would then send Vladimer Guererro to Boston and the Red Sox would send Nomar Garciaparra to LA.
Where you see that??? and has Garciaparra told Mia Hamm :p
Was nice to see Frank Thomas resign with the White Sox's ... kinda think that if he plays like he did at the tailend of the season he won't have any worries getting the White Sox to keep wanting to renew their part of his contract.
Most catchers are in the squad for defensive purposes though.Going back through history only a few such as Berra,Campanella,Bench,Fisk,Carter,Piazza,Rodriguez would have been able to put up respectable numbers.
Originally posted by kjn6371
Im hoping Santa brings me the Ken Burns documentary :p.Sounds great doesn't it over 25 hours worth of material.
er..... I was hoping the same.... unfortunately I think my other half has gone and ordered me Ken Burns - The Civil War instead!!! :brickwall
I got the Sox,Expos,Dodgers rumour from the Red Sox newsgroup.
Perhaps Mia will be putting in a transfer as well :lol:.
Dr Hfuhruhurr
07-12-2002, 19:47
Originally posted by GarFra
Seattle Mariners have managed to sign Olerud to a two-year $15.4 million contract.
I have yet to understand why the Mets ever let him go, a good solid player, perhaps not flashy, but he does his job with the minimum of fuss. IMHO he was the key player for the Mets when they had a resurgence a few years ago. He was a great contact hitter, who got on base with walks as well. He also had a bit of power.
He's also a great fielder.
As I said earlier Steve Phillips was insane not to resign him even if it took several millions more than Seattle (his home town) offered him.
[aside] I don't know whther this is true but apparently because of having suffered from an anuerysm (??) Olerud wears a helmet to field in (definitely true) which he also wears in the shower.
Ricky Henderson noticed that his team-mate (in Seattle) was wearing a helmet in the shower and said "I knew a guy in NY who used to do that" - they were both Olerud. :lol:
Henderson = :nuts:
Dr Hfuhruhurr
07-12-2002, 19:50
Originally posted by GarFra
er..... I was hoping the same.... unfortunately I think my other half has gone and ordered me Ken Burns - The Civil War instead!!! :brickwall Women :|
You guys have obviously got decent internet connections - I've gotta go I'm afraid.
Originally posted by Dr Hfuhruhurr
I don't know whther this is true but apparently because of having suffered from an anuerysm (??) Olerud wears a helmet to field in (definitely true) which he also wears in the shower.
Ricky Henderson noticed that his team-mate (in Seattle) was wearing a helmet in the shower and said "I knew a guy in NY who used to do that" - they were both Olerud. :lol:
Henderson = :nuts:
D'oh - A proper Homer Simpson moment
:clap:
Originally posted by GarFra
unfortunately I think my other half has gone and ordered me Ken Burns - The Civil War instead!!! :brickwall
I'd love to see your face Christmas morning when you unwrap it,oh well at least she got the Ken Burns bit right.
Theres a few Rickey stories Doc I'll have to try to remember and post them :lol:.
With the loss of Jim Thome the Cincinnati Post reported that the Reds may trade 1b Sean Casey to the Indians.The Reds are keen on moving Adam Dunn from the outfield to 1b.Casey's a solid hitter but he's no match for Thome in the power department
Sean Casey would be nice..... the problem for who ever does take over at 1b for Cleveland will have to deal with the comparisons to Thome. :|
Somehow I dont see either Earl Synder or Travis Hafner being the answer to filling Thome's shoes.I think the Indians will trade for a 1b or a outfielder capable of becoming a 1b.
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