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Holy Bums, guys! I got this t'other day due to it being uncut and the R2 having a small scene (involving a butterfly knife, it would seem) being trimmed.
But, woe is me! The R1 picture quality is washed out and dark - To the point of it looking like it's a black and white film. It's really grey and with a horrible blue tint. At first I thought that this may either be a dodgy disk, or that it's deliberatly made that way due to the "gritty" nature of the film - I mean, the sound on the disk was extremely sharp. Then I watched the Making Of, which shows the film in vibrant colour and looking a hell of a lot better than in the main feature.
Anyone know if the R2 transfer is just as bad, or IS the film really supposed to look like that, and the Making Of footage was wrong?
It's meant to look like that.
GAmbrose
26-02-2003, 11:44
Thats how it is supposed to look.....don't remember a blue tint but I haven't watched it for awhile.
Gary A
That's what I suspected until I saw the footage in the Making Of... Really, it's a massive difference.
The tint is a kind of gun metal blue, which would go along with the feel of the film quite well, but it's quite odd to put the film mastered at two totally different levels on the same disk, don't you think? In fact, it's mean - It's just mean, man!
Doesn't it mention in 'The Making of...' that they washed the film stock after it had been shot to get the Blue/Grey look to the film?
Is it possible that 'The Making of....', which IIRC is little more than an EPK anyway, was made before the wash process and the finalising of the film?
Morpheus2000
26-02-2003, 13:22
I think that's the way it's supposed to look. Anyhow the film is cut by the MPAA to get an R rating. I can't remember where though!
Lenny Nero
26-02-2003, 15:47
Yeah, it's an awesome washed out blue filter film noir kind of look, I love it!
WildThing
26-02-2003, 18:22
I've seen 'Payback' many times, yes the picture is supposed to be washed out/drained of colour with lots of grain, I assume to make it look more gritty.
This kind of reminds me of when 'The Matrix' came out on U.S. DVD for the first time, where lots of people thought there was something wrong with the transfere because the picture looked slightly green in colour, not realising it supposed to be like that for all the scenes where they're inside the matrix LOL
:D
I didnt think it was any different to all the other DVDs when I watched it first time, but I just checked and :eek: looks almost black and white:)
'sposed to look like that. Lock Stock (original version) has a yellow tint and the matrix has a greenish tint
Yep, it's definately supposed to have that tint. I remember reading at the time that the film stock was treated to some sort of chemical process to get it that way.
:)
jroadley
19-02-2007, 21:58
I done a search for "Payback" and this seemed the best suited thread to revive.
Anyone going for the HD-DVD Directors cut of this? Been a while since I've seen it so would like to re-visit.
Details (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/payback_dc.html)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3647/paybacksf7.jpg
Director's Cut in this instance is quite different to the usual, i.e. not his longer preffered cut or owt like that. With this one the director was fired after the shoot with much of it reshot about a year later. Gibson wasn't the director, but as far as I know he was calling the shots. Some relatively important parts (I think including Kris Kristofferson) weren't even in the original version.
This could be very much a different movie altogether. Given that the original director has subsequently helmed The Sin Eater, one of the most worthless turds ever produced, this could be painful. Then again, if they've bothered to resurrect it maybe the differences were a matter of taste / direction and not downright awfulness.
SIMON ADEBISI
19-02-2007, 23:12
I done a search for "Payback" and this seemed the best suited thread to revive.
Anyone going for the HD-DVD Directors cut of this? Been a while since I've seen it so would like to re-visit.
Details (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/payback_dc.html)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3647/paybacksf7.jpg
:eek: I wonder will this be coming out on plain ol' dvd any time soon? At last a proper directors cut
Captain_Howdy666
19-02-2007, 23:17
:eek: I wonder will this be coming out on plain ol' dvd any time soon? At last a proper directors cut
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SIMON ADEBISI
19-02-2007, 23:18
Axel Music (http://www.axelmusic.com/productDetails/097360411621). It's probably on other sites too.
Legend. Cheers bud.
Squirrel God
19-02-2007, 23:21
Director's Cut in this instance is quite different to the usual, i.e. not his longer preffered cut or owt like that. With this one the director was fired after the shoot with much of it reshot about a year later. Gibson wasn't the director, but as far as I know he was calling the shots. Some relatively important parts (I think including Kris Kristofferson) weren't even in the original version.
This could be very much a different movie altogether. Given that the original director has subsequently helmed The Sin Eater, one of the most worthless turds ever produced, this could be painful. Then again, if they've bothered to resurrect it maybe the differences were a matter of taste / direction and not downright awfulness.
It should definitely be a very different movie. I'm not sure I'll like this version myself, but I'm mighty curious about it. Some details here:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30466
For the record, I really liked The Order (aka The Sin Eater) :D
:eek: I wonder will this be coming out on plain ol' dvd any time soon? At last a proper directors cut
Out on standard def DVD the same day (Region 1).
anephric
19-02-2007, 23:45
Christ, Knowles jizzes himself about the DC, doesn't he? Every single frame of it would have to be different to stop it being the utterly specious lump of cinematic neoplasm that the "original" version was.
I couldn't sit more than 30 mins into The Sin Eater - it was just so utterly amateurish and lacking any sort of tension.
Watched the theatrical cut again, followed by the new Director's Cut this week, and I have to say I prefer the existing theatrical cut. The DC adds some decent scenes (but also some pointless filler), and removes Gibbo's cheesy V/O, but I didn't think much of the "new" third act (good finish though, much better than the TC's "happy ending"). The new score was OK, but I missed the 70s music from the TC - when Gregg Henry's waiting to meet Gibson, and Mel emerges in the distance, I was waiting for Voodoo Child to strike up. And it didn't. Also couldn't get used to watching the film in ... well, colour. The washed-out silvery look to the TC suited the story perfectly IMO.
Fascinating to watch, anyway. Definitely a case of same story, two completely different movies.
Niceguygeoff
21-04-2007, 19:53
Loved the DC. I like the theatrical version, but it's a stylised pre-millennial mishmash of ideas, whereas the DC is a touch more organic and feels more like the gruff '70s movie that it wants to be. The violence is marginally less cartoony, and the whole thing is much grimmer. As much as I miss the previous music, the new score is unobtrusive and fits the more downbeat DC perfectly. And I was soooo glad that the dog didn't pop his head up at the end. :D
still waiting for mine to ship from cd-not-very-wow-anymore.
Been sitting in 'pending dispatch' since the release date :(
jroadley
23-04-2007, 17:35
still waiting for mine to ship from cd-not-very-wow-anymore.
Been sitting in 'pending dispatch' since the release date :(
I'm sure it could be had cheaper elsewhere....
Anyone know if this will be availble in anything other than region 1 (i.e. region 2)?
I just watched the DC of this on Blu-ray last night, and I have to say I thought it was superb. I've never seen the original cut, but I struggle to imagine it being better than the DC. The HD transfer looks great as well (if a little grainy at times). Huge amount of detail on show, especially in the facial features of Mel and the black cop (sorry, I forget his name)... one of the first times HD has really wowed me actually.
Just got the DC - very poor in comparison to the theatrical cut I thought, with half the atmosphere and, it seems, half the plot too. Turns it into a much simpler movie with few of the stand-out moments of the original.
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