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I got Star Trek Nemesis the other day and inside the case there is a envelope with Indiana Jones on the front. Does anybody know if it just to tell you Indiana Jones box set is available? Or is there a chance of winning something? I don’t want to open it if it’s telling me Indiana Jones is available but if there is a chance of winning something I will.
Thanks Andy.
jonathan.e
16-08-2003, 16:54
Why not just open it and find out? :confused: :rolleyes:
Be sure and discard the DVD afterwards though :lol:
The Wild Sheep
16-08-2003, 16:55
I think the anthrax scare is over now.
yes, thanks for your help.
DeadKenny
16-08-2003, 17:34
Originally posted by jonathan.e
Why not just open it and find out? :confused: :rolleyes:
Be sure and discard the DVD afterwards though :lol:
Sheesh, is there one Nemesis thread that you don't have to have a dig at the film :oh-hum:
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Difficult not to, because it's one of those frustrating films that could have been brilliant. The trailer shows a dark and sinister film that looks really good. Wonderful set deisgn and effects, **** poor typcial fanboy script that could have done with a few redrafts by someone who generally didn't like Trek.
jonathan.e
16-08-2003, 18:20
Originally posted by DeadKenny
Sheesh, is there one Nemesis thread that you don't have to have a dig at the film :oh-hum:
What Adamant said coupled with making sure the slaphead and his droid don’t have final say on the script.
The Karate Kid
16-08-2003, 18:22
It was better than Generations.:confused:
I enjoyed it!... I don't have any little envelope in my copy and even if I did, I probably would have binned it by now.
And the good emotional bit with Data *spoiler censored* totally and utterly ruined by giving him a clone to go through the whole TNG and becoming more human storyline all over again....
If imagination is so hard to come by, then Trek should have been laid to rest like Majel Barrett Rodenberry has been saying for years now.
GAmbrose
16-08-2003, 19:27
Oh well, thats the film ruined for me.
Cheers Adamant.
Gary A
I self edited the post before I saw your post. I'm really sorry, but it's easy to do with a film thats been out for a while.
Anyway, there's not much of the film to spoil. The only good thing is the visuals. :D
The Karate Kid
16-08-2003, 19:32
And the ending, the downbeat ending is superb.
Originally posted by The Karate Kid
It was better than Generations.:confused:
Talk about damning with faint praise.
The Karate Kid
16-08-2003, 20:03
:D
andrewcalderuk
17-08-2003, 00:07
Yeah! Get in there jon.e and adamant! :lol:
Here's some fish, a gun and a large round wooden container.
Knock yourselves out boys.
:baby:
Can't shoot fish in a barrell, got too many DVDs to watch!
well afletch what was in it? :confused:
bouncingjohn
17-08-2003, 05:00
Seeing as no-one has answered the original question yet: Yes, it's just a (quite nicely done) advert for the forthcoming box set - no competition.
Originally posted by bouncingjohn
Seeing as no-one has answered the original question yet: Yes, it's just a (quite nicely done) advert for the forthcoming box set - no competition.
Wow... I wish I had one of those ;)
Originally posted by jayok
Wow... I wish I had one of those ;)
You probably wish you never lived in Scotland as well.
Originally posted by Adamant
Difficult not to, because it's one of those frustrating films that could have been brilliant. The trailer shows a dark and sinister film that looks really good. Wonderful set deisgn and effects, **** poor typcial fanboy script that could have done with a few redrafts by someone who generally didn't like Trek.
I would have expected a real fan to have written a script which didn't feel like an 'approximation of star trek - Nemesis felt like a facsimilie or cheap copy. Can't quite put my finger on it.
Originally posted by afletch
You probably wish you never lived in Scotland as well.
No, I actually chose to live in Scotland :)
Originally posted by Gizmo
I would have expected a real fan to have written a script which didn't feel like an 'approximation of star trek - Nemesis felt like a facsimilie or cheap copy. Can't quite put my finger on it.
But that's exactly what a "real fan" would do. Write just for the characters they love, don't bother developing anything and, god forbid, they would in no way try to change Star Trek into something other than what it's been constantly since 1987.
And I've read an early draft script from the net which was, to all intents and purposes, the same story. It goes into detail about what something should look like, but using terms such as "like C3PO in Star Wars". This is disgustingly lazy and proves it's a cheap immitation of everything else without one bit of originality. Hardcore fans of a genre who love it without noticing the flaws should NOT be writing scripts within it.
DeadKenny
20-08-2003, 20:08
Originally posted by afletch
I got Star Trek Nemesis the other day and inside the case there is a envelope with Indiana Jones on the front. Does anybody know if it just to tell you Indiana Jones box set is available? Or is there a chance of winning something? I don’t want to open it if it’s telling me Indiana Jones is available but if there is a chance of winning something I will.
Thanks Andy.
I see what you mean, as it's a sealed envelope. As it's a single disc I'm betting there will be a 2 disc SE in the future (a way off though), so I'll be wanting to sell this one, and it'll sell better if the envelope is unopened.
LeftHandedGuitarist
28-05-2007, 20:07
I just watched this on Channel 4. Had forgotten that it was such a strong example of a film that is utterly dire on every level.
The guy who plays Shinzon is one of the biggest miscasts ever. Never mind the fact that he was given such a 2-dimensional character to work with, the actor is terrible.
DeadKenny
28-05-2007, 20:17
Ah, forgot about this thread. Yeah, noticed it was on TV tonight. Was it cropped / pan&scanned?
I see my prediction of the 2-disc SE came true anyway :D. Not that I did sell the old one, though I never did open the envelope.
Still not as bad a film in my opinion as people make out. It's certainly down the bottom of the list, but Star Trek V is still far worse (and yet still watchable). Nemesis is just Trek by numbers.
Niceguygeoff
28-05-2007, 20:36
Nemesis is soooo stupid and derivative, but I'm a fool for big-screen Trek and I've always liked this flick. And damned if I didn't get a little emotional as Riker bid farewell to Picard, and also as the music swells as we look upon the Enterprise-E for the last time. :dork:
Still, the fanboy ire that Nemesis provoked will be nothing compared to the grief that Trek XI will receive. :lol:
LeftHandedGuitarist
28-05-2007, 20:53
I think it was cropped to 1.85:1. Big misframing throughout.
I found it really hard to get emotional, even at the end of this film. Characters just didn't ring true and the overall story made me so disinterested in what they were all doing.
Still, it's cool when the Enterprise rams the Scimitar. Pointless, but cool.
degeneration
28-05-2007, 22:41
A much as I love Trek, I think I've only seen this twice, once at the cinema and once on DVD, although I was a student and its all a bit hazy. I think we were trying for a Trek Marathon before we graduated. May have been drunk.
Must watch it again, was it really as bad as people say? Insurrection was poop and I remember this being better.
Still not as bad a film in my opinion as people make out. It's certainly down the bottom of the list, but Star Trek V is still far worse (and yet still watchable). Nemesis is just Trek by numbers.ST V watchable? Not IMO ;) . Agree with you about Nemesis though. If for nothing else, you get a competent space battle, and I like the fact that The Enterprise got 'bushed when it was legging for back up, no Enterprise as the Last Best line of defence here.
anephric
29-05-2007, 01:41
This is loads better than the borefest that was Insurrection. Final Frontier, for all its crapness, has a few enjoyable moments, but Nemesis is better. At least there's some action.
I quite liked Tom Hardy in this, but he's nothing like Patrick Stewart.
My brain just won't buy the premise that any form of Picard would not by nature, inherently be a good person. Also I find the Shinzon actor very unconvincing.
Maybe it would have been better if Picard could have played himself and they were able to CGI him younger as they did in Xmen 3?
Saw this for the first time on C4 last night. I'd been avoiding it for a while as I'd heard so many people slam it. To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of TNG: I find the characters far more dull than Kirk and co, without their charisma. Their movies are my least favourite, so maybe I'm not the intended audience for this.
Anyway, i thought the first 40 mins of so of Nemesis were pretty good as it had a pretty good pace to it (heck, I even liked the much derided 'car chase' even if the director had clearly seen Pitch Black one time too many!). But, somehow, the life just got sucked out of it by the midway point and it just became listless. And what started out with some interesting ideas descended into a lame clone (pun intended) of Wrath of Khan. Everything seemed so rushed at the end, which meant that the movie's big poignant moment felt completely emotionless. And, I agree: the lazy B4 plotdevice blunted this even further.
Am I right in thinking that an hour was originally cut from this film? If so, I wonder if the real meat of the story has been completely gutted from the final film? (For instance, that whole psychic 'rape' of Troi seems completely superfluous to the plot: was there more to this, as it seems pretty damn dark for a minor plot contrivance?)
The FX were okay, but how many times can you enjoy seeing the enterprise get trashed and people scream that 'the shields are down to 10%'. yawn. I hope they put some fun back into the new film?
It was a complete missed opportunity. We had a perfect Romulan nemesis ready for Picard in Sela.
The 'psychic rape' was done before to Troi in a TNG episode and, you would think, being psychic she could do something to defend against such attacks?
The threat posed by the Scimitar was NEVER really explained - no idea how powerful a ship it was which ruined any feeling of jeapordy - or for that matter just how the little known Remans suddenly produced technology far in advance of Starfleet / Romulans?
As for the new film, is it possible to make a more lifeless, boring film than Nemesis. I hope not.....
Grandmaster
29-05-2007, 17:47
Am I right in thinking that an hour was originally cut from this film? If so, I wonder if the real meat of the story has been completely gutted from the final film? (For instance, that whole psychic 'rape' of Troi seems completely superfluous to the plot: was there more to this, as it seems pretty damn dark for a minor plot contrivance?)
The Troi rape thing appears to have been there simply as an excuse to give Riker something to do at the end of the movie.
Nemesis is easily the worst Star Trek film of the lot. I greatly dislike The Final Frontier - and Uhura's erotic dance must surely be one of cinema's most cringe-inducing moments - but any movie where Kirk does battle with God and wins has to get some credit if only for its utter insolence.
Liquid_Language
29-05-2007, 18:09
Got to disagree. Star Trek: Inch Erection felt like a tv movei that had somehow stumbled onto a cinema screen, from it's crappy cinematography to lazy directing. Nemesis suffered from the singular problem that it felt like a collision between Wrath Of Khan and The Undiscovered Country. Add to the fact that the Director of both of those films, namely Nick Meyer was hired initially, and it get's worse! (Note: Meyer asked for a heavy script rewrite and was promptly fired. He got to keep his fee.)
A bad film, no, but profoundly unoriginal.
Niceguygeoff
29-05-2007, 18:54
but any movie where Kirk does battle with God and wins has to get some credit if only for its utter insolence.
:clap:
Even the poorer Trek movies have some decent moments or ideas. Not many, I grant you, but for me it's enough to carry those flicks simply because I'm so familiar with the characters. And while others cringe at Scotty hitting his head in Final Frontier, or Data discussing his boobs in Insurrection, I love those moments of comedy. Kirk, Spock and McCoy are always good value in that regard too, like the campfire banter in Final Frontier or Kirk's classic "How many fingers am I holding up?" to McCoy in Search For Spock.
Nemesis has some dreadful, dreadful moments, but some of the themes (duality, nature vs nurture etc) are fairly interesting (for Trek anyway!) and the space battle is mildly diverting. At least it didn't have Riker piloting the Enterprise with a bleedin' Amiga joystick. :lol:
Grandmaster
29-05-2007, 18:57
Maybe God isn't out there... maybe... he's in here *points to heart*
:lol:
A line only Shatner could deliver.
EDIT: or perhaps David Hasselhoff.
anephric
29-05-2007, 19:23
Please, Captain. Not in front of the Klingons.
IndianaJones00
30-05-2007, 20:39
I actually like Star Trek V :lol:
Spooky_uk
31-05-2007, 08:03
I actually like Star Trek V :lol:
:eek:crackhead :eek: :lol:
Nemesis suffered from the singular problem that it felt like a collision between Wrath Of Khan and The Undiscovered Country. Add to the fact that the Director of both of those films, namely Nick Meyer was hired initially, and it get's worse! (Note: Meyer asked for a heavy script rewrite and was promptly fired. He got to keep his fee.)
A bad film, no, but profoundly unoriginal.
I hadn't heard Meyer was ever involved. ****** me off actually, because I've always thought Nick Meyer could do a cracking Next Gen film if only they'd hire him. He knows the franchise and was involved with arguably the 3 best TOS films. I'd kill to see him come up with a Star Trek XI instead of Paramount doing this bloody prequel.
And i like Star Trek V too, for my sins, dodgy Scotty-Uhura flirting aside. I love the banter and chemistry between the central trio in particular. Beautiful Jerry Goldsmith score, too.
McCoy: "All that time in space, getting on each other's nerves. And what do we do when shore leave comes along? We spend it together. Other people have families."
Kirk: "Other people, Bones. Not us."
anephric
31-05-2007, 14:41
The stuff around the campfire is nice. And the "I've always known I'll die alone" thing is quite poignant - if only Generations had never existed!
The Troi rape thing appears to have been there simply as an excuse to give Riker something to do at the end of the movie.
Indeed. I can't watch Riker's fight at the end of Nemesis anymore without hearing Robert DeNiro in Raging Bull: "You **** my wife? You **** my wife?"
:doh: :)
thescrounger
31-05-2007, 15:19
The stuff around the campfire is nice. And the "I've always known I'll die alone" thing is quite poignant - if only Generations had never existed!
It still works though. If by alone one assumes he's talking about dying without his comrades Bones and Spock.
DeadKenny
31-05-2007, 21:55
Got to disagree. Star Trek: Inch Erection felt like a tv movei that had somehow stumbled onto a cinema screen, from it's crappy cinematography to lazy directing.
As a TV episode though it would be cracking, and still a better story than many Trek films. Doesn't make for a great action flick or blockbuster material obviously.
As a TV episode though it would be cracking, and still a better story than many Trek films. Doesn't make for a great action flick or blockbuster material obviously.
Indeed and I feel that Insurrection unfairly gets slated for just being a very good episode of the tv show. I'm a fan of the tv show so whilst I'd like for them to go all out for the movie a good 2 hour episode of the TNG is good enough for me. Also remember that Star Trek movies have really quite low budgets - I think around $60M is the high end of a budget for a Star Trek movie which is low for Sci Fi although having said that Serenity managed to be a lot more interesting and on an far bigger epic scale than most TNG movies bar First Contact.
To be honest I feel Insurrection makes for a better movie than Nemesis. I don't mind Nemesis but the subject matter it deals with would have been far better suited to the tv show where they could have really eximined what it's like to have a clone of you made who's grown up to be totally evil without
Although about Nemesis, not trying to be arrogant here, but if you'd given me the script it would have taken me ten minutes to change the stuff that really bugs me: make B4 Lore becuase that just makes more sense than Shinzon just randomly finding this prototype we've never heard of, or better yet get rid of B4 entirely because it's pretty surplus to the plot.
I would have get rid of the emergency transporter bull and just had data transport Picard at the end and then blow the ship up becuase it just saves the question of why didn't he just take two along to start with. Would have made the first minor skirmish on Shinzon's ship a bit quicker though.
Also make the boarding of the Enterprise more exciting - have them board the bridge and engerneering and try to really capture Picard rather than just wonder around a few corridors - DS9 Way of the Warrior shows how it should be done.
And maybe give Shinzon a reason to want to destroy the federation rather than just becuase he's bored. And what's this about the Remens who we have never heard or seen of before suddenly taking over the Romulan empire? And why do the Romulans want to try and destroy the Federation? And why only send two ships to help the Enterprise (and why give this huge seemingly unbeatable ship to a human clone, I'm sure if the Romulans wanted to destroy Earth they didn't need Shinzon to do it. And why invite the Enterprise to meet them? Yeah Shinzon needed Picard but why do the Romulans need Shinzon?
Actually screw it, this movie just doesn't really make any sense when I think about it and if I was given ten minutes with the script I'd just get a big red pen and cross everything out, probably would be the best thing for them starting from scrathc again. And yet I still enjoy it just becuase I loved TNG that much. But it does irritate me becuase it could have been so much better and it's really not that hard to craft a good TNG movie. You have the crew, you have the ship, you have the built in fan base - You would think they could come up with something a bit less stupid than the whole of Nemesis plot. What about Sela? Q? The Dominion? Breen? And ship to ship battles are so boring now days. At least Insurrection stayed away from that. Or go and do a proper Die Hard storyline on the ship when it gets completely taken over. Yeah it's a bit like FC but everyone seemed to like that. Sorry for ranting, I just think it's so easy to create a decent compelling TNG movie that makes sense and somehow they wound up with Nemesis which taken at a basic level is enjoyable but completely falls apart when you think about the whole thing. Pah, stupid writers.
That's what I posted earlier and I agree, the 'Sela' plot would have easily worked and the rest of the Nemesis plot minus the clones/remans would have fitted fine.
My other problem with the film is the dialogue characters were given didn't seem to fit them properly - Picard's speech at the beginning is just so wrong. It doesn't really improve from thereon in.
My other problem with the film is the dialogue characters were given didn't seem to fit them properly - Picard's speech at the beginning is just so wrong. It doesn't really improve from thereon in.
Indeed which is surprising since apparently the guy who wrote it is like a hard core fan but it really does sound and is told like it is written by a person who's never really seen TNG before. (Although I must admit I quite like Picard's speech at the start, perhaps not the words spoken but certainly the sentiment is argubaly finally right for the chracter).
anephric
01-06-2007, 01:51
The only reason for B4 to exist is so they could break their Data and have a spare if the box office was boffo. And at least Picard was reasonably in character in Nemesis, unlike the bizarre incarnation in Generations.
The only reason for B4 to exist is so they could break their Data and have a spare if the box office was boffo. And at least Picard was reasonably in character in Nemesis, unlike the bizarre incarnation in Generations.
Just curious, but why do you say Picard was "bizarre" in STG? He's a bit more serious and contemplative than usual due to the family deaths, granted, but I've never felt he was out of character, so to speak.
thescrounger
01-06-2007, 15:28
Indeed which is surprising since apparently the guy who wrote it is like a hard core fan but it really does sound and is told like it is written by a person who's never really seen TNG before. (Although I must admit I quite like Picard's speech at the start, perhaps not the words spoken but certainly the sentiment is argubaly finally right for the chracter).
One thing that annoyed me about the last couple of TNG movies is the way Stewart delivered his lines like a sort of wise old man. With a sort sentimental twang. I'm surprised he wasn't handing out Werther's originals by the end of the film.
Niceguygeoff
01-06-2007, 19:03
Just curious, but why do you say Picard was "bizarre" in STG? He's a bit more serious and contemplative than usual due to the family deaths, granted, but I've never felt he was out of character, so to speak.
Picard breaking down and blubbing his guts out didn't do it for me. He does seem a bit too stiff throughout the film.
Indeed and I feel that Insurrection unfairly gets slated for just being a very good episode of the tv show. I'm a fan of the tv show so whilst I'd like for them to go all out for the movie a good 2 hour episode of the TNG is good enough for me.
That's what gets me through every Trek movie, good or bad. It's so nice to be able to spend a bit more time among characters that are this familiar. And - this makes me sound like a right tart - it's great to have Trek in 2.35 widescreen with theatrical-quality 5.1 sound (i.e. not the pallid remixes that the TV shows have received).
I liked Nemesis much more than the snorefest that was Insurrection but even then it was brilliant only OK. :shrug:
But once the new Star Trek movie set at Starfleet Academy is released then I supect that this film will be seen as a great movie. :thinking:
My List of the Star Trek movies going from Best to worst is:
:clap: 2, 8, 6, 3, 4, 10, 5, 7, 9, 1. :brickwall
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