View Full Version : Will bluray or hd-dvd be DTS
midgetman
03-07-2006, 20:41
just wondering looking at the new sony titles none state DTS
Michael Mackenzie
03-07-2006, 22:35
Theoretically, you could have DTS on either format, but a range of new audio codecs have emerged that offer superior quality to the DTS that exists on DVD releases. The Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD player, for example, converts its Dolby Digital-Plus audio streams to DTS if you don't have a Dolby Digital-Plus compatible amp.
kiran_mk2
03-07-2006, 23:51
Does it? That would mean it would have to do realtime dolby plus decoding and DTS encoding. It seems more likely that it would downsample the Dolby plus to Dolby Digital. Has there been any sign of DTS-HD on discs so far?
Grandmaster
04-07-2006, 05:08
Does it?
It certainly does - that's what the amps report anyhow.
Reading this <a href="http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD/AVRs/trueHD_avrs_2.html">page</a> on Dolby's website I was wondering if current AVReceivers are actually interpreting a high bit-rate Dolby Digital stream as DTS?
S/PDIF Connection
If your A/V receiver or processor has neither multichannel analog or digital inputs, but is equipped with 5.1-channel Dolby® Digital decoding and playback, you will still be able to enjoy 5.1-channel performance from next-generation optical players. Included within 7.1-channel multichannel Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD streams is a core 5.1 mix prepared by the content maker that is used when the player is set for 5.1-channel mode. After playback audio signals have been mixed in the player, the PCM signal can be encoded to a Dolby Digital signal and output from the player via S/PDIF (optical or coaxial) to your connected Dolby Digital A/V receiver or processor.
In many instances, the audio quality you will experience from this connection may be better than what you would experience during playback of standard-definition DVD-Video discs, especially if the native signal on the disc is Dolby TrueHD or high-bit-rate Dolby Digital Plus. This is a direct result of a higher-quality source signal feeding a Dolby Digital encoder running at 640 kbps—higher than the maximum bit rate on DVD-Video.
It sounds as though a 5.1 Dolby Digtal stream derived from the DDP or Dolby TruHD source is encoded at 640kbps by the player (448 is highest on SD discs) and then output to the amp. 640kbps is fairly close to half bit-rate DTS at 768kbps.
Just a thought really. It sounds as though if the Tosh HD-A1 offered multi-channel outputs you'd get the full benefit of HD audio.
EDIT: Alternatively, the review on <a href="http://www.dvdtown.com/article/reviewofthetoshibahd-a1hd-dvdp/3255/">DVDTown</a> for the HD-A1 says Toshiba went with a DTS encoder instead of the Dolby option for their first players.
hunts1uk
04-07-2006, 11:33
I don't really understand all this DTS DD sound stuff to tell the truth.Is DTS the better?Im sitting watching Van Helsing on my XA-1 HDDVD player now and my Yamaha YSP-1 says it's outputting DTS.
By the way best disk i've watched so far,outstanding quality.
bradavon
04-07-2006, 14:04
There is already DTS HD it's just no software title has been released yet to use it. The forthcoming French 2046 has been said to be the first to use it.
It's going to be bit by bit identical to the original master like TrueHD. It should be superior to the compressed (but much less compressed) Dolby Digital + but how it compares to TrueHD I don't know.
It was quite a while before DTS took a foothold with the first batch of DVDs just using DD5.1. I suspect this will be the same.
You wouldn't want DTS full or half bitrate as they're SD formats. Dolby Digital + beats both (I think DD Plus 1.5Mbps is higher than DTS' 1536Kbps).
I think DD Plus 1.5Mbps is higher than DTS' 1536Kbps.
:?:
Arn't those two figues the same just written in different units
1536Kbps divided by 1024 (bits per Mb) = 1.5Mbps
bradavon
05-07-2006, 14:25
Good point they must be. I wonder if this means Standard DTS Full-rate and DD+ will sound the same? What bit-rate is Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD?
According to the Dolby website Dave pointed us to:
Dolby Digital Plus:
# Supports data rates as high as 6 Mbps.
# Bit rate performance of at least 3 Mbps on HD DVD and up to 1.7 Mbps on Blu-ray Disc.
# Outputs a Dolby Digital bitstream for playback on existing Dolby Digital systems.
Dolby TrueHD:
# 100 percent lossless coding technology.
# Up to 18 Mbps bit rate.
I wonder why HD-DVD can support 3Mbps (why are they only using 1.5Mbps) but Blu-ray it's only 1.7Mbps
bradavon
05-07-2006, 14:35
DTS-HD:
# As a mandatory technology in the next generation standards, a DTS decoder will be built into every HD-DVD or Blu-ray Disc player.
# One single DTS-HD™ datastream on a disc can carry everything from standard DTS 5.1 playable on virtually all existing 280 million plus DTS decoders, all the way to lossless for next-generation systems.
http://www.dtsonline.com/consumer/dtshd.php
And:
DTS-HD Master Audio - Previously known as DTS++ and DTS-HD, DTS-HD Master Audio supports a virtually unlimited number of surround sound channels, can downmix to 5.1- and two-channel, and can deliver audio quality at bit rates extending from DTS Digital Surround up to lossless. Although technically superior over its Dolby counterpart, DTS-HD Master Audio is selected only as an optional surround sound format for Blu-ray and HD-DVD. DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD are the only technologies that deliver compressed lossless surround sound for these new disc formats, ensuring the highest quality audio performance available in the new standards. (n.b. DTS Coherent Acoustics coding system has been selected as mandatory audio technology for both the Blu-ray Disc (BD) and High Definition Digital Versatile Disc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Theatre_System
It looks like on paper DTS-HD (whose going to call it "DTS-HD Master Audio"?) and Dolby TrueHD are the same. I can't find out what bit-rate DTS-HD uses.
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