EBAY, shill bidder can some one check ? [Archive]

deanos

20-07-2006, 12:36

I recently bid on some furnuture on Ebay and got outbid and noticed some odd bidding form another bidder, i have searched and all they have bidded on is the sellers furniture does anybody else think its a bit fishy ?

The seller is eBay (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-1751-2978-71/1?AID=5463217&PID=582776&mpre=http%3A//stores.ebay.co.uk/123-FURNITURE-pine-oak)

And if you search under completed bids for these sellers tell me what you think, maybe im going crazy :nuts: >

kellsbell1010
ladydacre
1505wilson

IAmATeaf

20-07-2006, 12:53

kellsbells1010 certainly only seems to bid on this guys auctions, upto page 3 i think she had won around 4 dining tables and chairs so it certainly looks suspect. Not sure about the last 1 though unless the seller also has many seller acocunts.

qpw3141

20-07-2006, 15:39

i have searched and all they have bidded on is the sellers furniture does anybody else think its a bit fishy ?The past tense of 'bid' is 'bid'. There is no such word as 'bidded'.

Before any of the 'proud to be illiterate' brigade start up, some people actually welcome knowing when they make a mistake so consider this post for them and just ignore it if you're not interested.

goonieman

20-07-2006, 15:46

http://www.toolhaus.org/

Use the bidders tool at the bottom :thumbs:

Jefft

20-07-2006, 16:28

Definately suspicious when several of the auctions have numerous bids from the same person within seconds of their previous bids and also lots of new ebayers with feed back of 0-3. Stinks.

Khan

20-07-2006, 16:33

The past tense of 'bid' is 'bid'.
Or bade.

Looks like there is a bit of shilling going on there. If that happens I always move on and don't give them my business.

splobber

20-07-2006, 17:55

The past tense of 'bid' is 'bid'. There is no such word as 'bidded'.

Before any of the 'proud to be illiterate' brigade start up, some people actually welcome knowing when they make a mistake so consider this post for them and just ignore it if you're not interested.

Conversely, some people may see you as having nothing else better to do other then be to be a pedantic type who does stuff like this in order to feel superior in some way.

qpw3141

20-07-2006, 18:16

Conversely, some people may see you as having nothing else better to do other then be to be a pedantic type who does stuff like this in order to feel superior in some way.Well, you always get the odd idiot. It's just a pity they can't leave things they are not interested in alone rather than feeling they have to make smart arsed comments. I often wonder why they feel people should be shielded from access to correct English. C'est la vie.

As I said, a lot of people actually prefer not to look illiterate.

And I'm hardly likely to feel superior. I had to lean English just the same as everybody else.

andybhoy

20-07-2006, 18:37

And I'm hardly likely to feel superior. I had to lean English just the same as everybody else.

I know what you mean. I actually fell over once.

abarthman

20-07-2006, 18:49

I know what you mean. I actually fell over once.I can top that; I used to mess myself until I was potty trained.

tipicus

20-07-2006, 18:51

I know what you mean. I actually fell over once.

One chortles in a cacophonous mien (LOL)

qpw3141

20-07-2006, 18:59

I know what you mean. I actually fell over once.Yeah, see, I still can't talk it proper :lol:

Napoleon

20-07-2006, 19:47

Here is an interesting Link (http://www.auctionpix.co.uk/shill/270006554172.html)

IAmATeaf

21-07-2006, 07:46

Well, you always get the odd idiot. It's just a pity they can't leave things they are not interested in alone rather than feeling they have to make smart arsed comments. I often wonder why they feel people should be shielded from access to correct English. C'est la vie.

As I said, a lot of people actually prefer not to look illiterate.

And I'm hardly likely to feel superior. I had to lean English just the same as everybody else.

What so do you fall into this idiot camp then? as you clearly failed to 'leave things they are not interested in' and made a 'smart arsed comment' to correct grammar and to cap it all offered no help/advice re the OPs post.

egg0579

21-07-2006, 08:04

Well, you always get the odd idiot. It's just a pity they can't leave things they are not interested in alone rather than feeling they have to make smart arsed comments. I often wonder why they feel people should be shielded from access to correct English. C'est la vie.

As I said, a lot of people actually prefer not to look illiterate.

And I'm hardly likely to feel superior. I had to lean English just the same as everybody else.

I think the word here is 'learn' not 'lean'.

Before any of the 'proud to be illiterate' brigade start up, some people actually welcome knowing when they make a mistake so consider this post for them and just ignore it if you're not interested.

;) :n0rty: ;)

andybhoy

21-07-2006, 08:12

You just overegged my pudding.

deanos

21-07-2006, 08:37

So back on topic , is it worth reporting this guy, would ebay do anything about it ?

qpw3141

21-07-2006, 08:40

What so do you fall into this idiot camp then? as you clearly failed to 'leave things they are not interested in' and made a 'smart arsed comment' to correct grammarNo, I simply pointed out that there is no such word as 'bidded'. This is something I was interested in.

In a sensible word, anyone who was interested could note that and others would just ignore it.

For some reason there seems to be a rather cretinous tendency on the part of some people to get their knickers in a twist when someone points out a mistake in the use of English that the would not dream of doing if someone pointed out any other sort of mistake.

What I can't understand is whether they are illiterate themselves, and are proud of the fact, or whether thay believe themselves to be literate and simply want others to stay illiterate in order that they will make themselves look better.

I can't see any charitable way of looking at people who post simply to try and inhibit the dissemination of information.

and to cap it all offered no help/advice re the OPs post.Pot, kettle :cuckoo:

andybhoy

21-07-2006, 08:46

So back on topic , is it worth reporting this guy, would ebay do anything about it ?

I can't guarentee that ebay will do anything but yes, you should report him. If people don't report people like this, Ebay will continue to get worse.

Mr. Brown

21-07-2006, 09:45

No, I simply pointed out that there is no such word as 'bidded'. This is something I was interested in.

In a sensible word (world), anyone who was interested could note that and others would just ignore it.

For some reason there seems to be a rather cretinous tendency on the part of some people to get their knickers in a twist when someone points out a mistake in the use of English that the (they) would not dream of doing if someone pointed out any other sort of mistake.

What I can't understand is whether they are illiterate themselves, and are proud of the fact, or whether thay (they) believe themselves to be literate and simply want others to stay illiterate in order that they will make themselves look better.

I can't see any charitable way of looking at people who post simply to try and inhibit the dissemination of information.

Pot, kettle :cuckoo:

Back on topic, I feel very strongly about shill-bidding. It definately looks dodgy and you should report it to Ebay (not that they will do anything about it of course).

andybhoy

21-07-2006, 09:53

Back on topic, I feel very strongly about shill-bidding. It definately (definitely) looks dodgy and you should report it to Ebay (not that they will do anything about it of course).

The concern I have is that people too often won't say or do anything, so we end up with a self-fulfilling prophecy that "Ebay won't do anything". It seems to be how it works with the police. If we all make an effort to raise these issues, Ebay will not be able to ignore them.

Of course, Ebay would prefer fewer reports (I have asked them many times in the last few years why they don't have a "report this auction" button, or at least a link to the information regarding how and what to report).

qpw3141

21-07-2006, 10:00

Of course, Ebay would prefer fewer reports (I have asked them many times in the last few years why they don't have a "report this auction" button, or at least a link to the information regarding how and what to report).I suspect that their rationale is that if they make it too easy, people will be reporting auctions for trivial reasons and they will have to pay staff to filter out any reports that actually warrant further investigation.

By making it as difficult as possible they ensure only someone who feels very strongly will take the trouble to make a report and that will make less work (and be cheaper) for them.

Napoleon

21-07-2006, 11:11

I reported it yesterday.We shall see what happens.

deanos

21-07-2006, 14:28

I reported it yesterday.We shall see what happens.

Reported it also, anyboy else gonna join in :lol:

Mr. Brown

21-07-2006, 15:22

The concern I have is that people too often won't say or do anything, so we end up with a self-fulfilling prophecy that "Ebay won't do anything". It seems to be how it works with the police. If we all make an effort to raise these issues, Ebay will not be able to ignore them.

Of course, Ebay would prefer fewer reports (I have asked them many times in the last few years why they don't have a "report this auction" button, or at least a link to the information regarding how and what to report).

But as you point out in your reply, you have asked them plenty of times why they don't make reporting auctions easier (and i'm sure you are one of many, myself included) yet they have not done anything about this. I think it's become sadly obvious that although Ebay have some of the worst feedback on record as a supplier of a service they do not and will not implement the changes required to make it a safe, fair and con-free one. The fact ofit is that the more auctions that end, the more money Ebay grab in listing fees, FVF's and paypal charges, therefore they do not want to have to end listings whether they are in violation of their codes or not. The only thing that might change this is some competition.

(Thanks for the spelling correction by the way ;), 'definitely' is one of the words I consistantly spell incorrectly? That'll teach me not to be a cocky ass! :))

andybhoy

21-07-2006, 16:00

But as you point out in your reply, you have asked them plenty of times why they don't make reporting auctions easier (and i'm sure you are one of many, myself included) yet they have not done anything about this.

So very true, I think that they are happy to keep their heads in the sand with most things that go on. I do think that shill bidding is probably taken seriously but if it isn't, we need to report it whenever we see it because they can't keep their heads in the sand that way.

(Thanks for the spelling correction by the way ;), 'definitely' is one of the words I consistantly (Consistently ;) ) spell incorrectly? That'll teach me not to be a cocky ass! :))

You've no idea how many times I had to read my own post to make sure there were no typos! Usually I have one every sentence or two because I don't usually spellcheck. =P). I just think it's funny that it is almost impossible for anyone to mention a typo without making one of their own :lol: ). (I had to fix two in this post. =P).

Deano Let us know what ebay say.

qpw3141

21-07-2006, 16:07

You've no idea how many times I had to read my own post to make sure there were no typos! Usually I have one every sentence or two because I don't usually spellcheck. =P). I just think it's funny that it is almost impossible for anyone to mention a typo without making one of their own :lol: ). (I had to fix two in this post. =P).I almost always type 'definitely': 'defina' backspace 'itely'.

Mr. Brown

21-07-2006, 19:29

Consistently...that's another one :lol:
Lately I've been getting lots of ht's instead of th's too? Must be old age creeping up!

deanos

22-07-2006, 06:24

Just got an automated reply......

** This is an automated email to acknowledge receipt of your Shill
Bidding report. Please do not respond to this email. If you need to, you
can contact us from any eBay Help page.**

-------------------

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to report a suspected case of Shill
Bidding. We take Shill Bidding very seriously and we'll investigate your
report as soon as possible, usually within 24-48 hours.

We'll look at the information you provided and compare it to our records
of bidding patterns and other activity involving the reported accounts.
We'll then take any appropriate action (such as warnings or account
suspensions) against the involved accounts to ensure eBay remains a safe
and reputable place to buy and sell.

Sometimes, what appears to be Shill Bidding may actually be legitimate.
For example, a bidder may bid almost exclusively on one or two sellers
whom they have come to trust. If we find there's not enough evidence of
Shill Bidding, we may not take action against any of the reported
accounts.

Please be aware that as it's important that eBay maintains member
privacy, we can't share details of the action we take.

We know your time is valuable and we appreciate you taking a moment to
express your concern to us. Thank you for helping to keep eBay a safe,
fun place to shop.

Regards,

eBay Trust and Safety

Mr. Brown

22-07-2006, 09:42

Please be aware that as it's important that eBay maintains member
privacy, we can't share details of the action we take.

So you've no way of knowing if they actually do anything or not?

qpw3141

22-07-2006, 09:55

If the buyer become NARU'd you know that they have decided that it's in ebay's best interest to chuck him off because of the initial listing fee's he's avoided.

If they don't, you know that they have decided that it's in ebay's best interest to let him stay because of the amount of money they are making on final value fees on the money he's shilled out of customers.

Cynical?

Moi?

deanos

24-07-2006, 22:48

Well EBay have done nothing yet and suprise suprise kellsbell1010 has been bidding on 17 items that have ended today :mad:

Khan

25-07-2006, 06:30

kellsbell1010 must live in a very big house (http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=kellsbell1010&completed=1&all=1&rows=25&sort=3) :D

topcatderby

25-07-2006, 20:32

another complaint lodged here....

deanos

27-07-2006, 20:07

Ebay have done nothing so far , kellsbell1010 's account is still active, i guess with the seller having a rating of over 3600 they arn't bothered.

D J Fryer

28-07-2006, 10:27

Could kellsbell1010 be another trader who is legitimately selling the stuff on?

IAmATeaf

28-07-2006, 10:35

Could kellsbell1010 be another trader who is legitimately selling the stuff on?

I very much doubt it, he/she has won more items from the seller then there is feedback left.

AdamBrunt

28-07-2006, 13:09

Baz

28-07-2006, 13:22

Ok ... what is 'shilling' ??

I assume it is something like having 2 accounts and using 1 to bump up the price of auctions created by the other 1 ?? But if so, surely for it to work you need the bona fide bidders to outbid the "shilling" account - if they don't then the seller is out of pocket to the tune of the listing fee ??

Thats about it, its also used so that you can do an auction with a reserve price without paying for it. i.e the shill account pushes the bid to the reserve price.

Its also used to eek out the max bid from someone. As long as your not to greedy it works, if your not spotted that is.

deanos

29-07-2006, 08:11

Another 14 auctions that ended last night were bid on by kellsbell1010 :mad:

Could some other peeps report this , Ebay have yet to do anything yet :mad:

deanos

06-08-2006, 10:49

I have had a reply from Ebay have a read definately seems they have sided with the seller :razz:

Hello Dean,

Thank you for writing back to us regarding your cencerns in relation to
the user kellsbell1010. Please allow me the opportunity to assist you
further.

I have reopened the investigation for you but I could not find enough
evidence shoeing a breach of eBay bidding policy, I am afraid.

eBay is always very concerned about breaches of its policies and have
thoroughly investigated your report. In accordance with our policies,
however, I have found that there is not enough evidence to show that a
violation has taken place. We can reopen the investigation if any
additional information can be provided.

Due to privacy policies, we are unable to provide specific information
regarding the result of our investigation to third party members. Please
understand that this is for the protection of all eBay users.

Safety centre:
To read more about our investigations polices please go to our Safety
Centre pages:

deanos

09-08-2006, 12:19

Well i sent another email .......

Hello Dean,

Thank you for writing back to us with your suspicions of Shill Bidding
by the members 'kellsbell1010 & purplehog11'. My name is Sarah, I can
understand why you're concerned that members you feel are bad eBayer's
are still active on eBay.

Let me reassure you that it's our top priority to ensure eBay remains a
safe and reputable place to buy and sell. We therefore take reports of
members breaking our rules very seriously.

As per our previous emails, we have thoroughly investigated your report
of Shill Bidding. There is no evidence that shill bidding is occurring.

Although, a member bidding on multiple items from one particular seller,
may in some situations indicate shill bidding, in this instance it does
not.

Please note that we take this matter very seriously whether or not a
member has 4000 feedback. We would take appropriate action if shill
bidding was occurring.

As you know, it's important that eBay maintains member privacy, so we
can't share details of our investigation. I hope this reassures you that
personal information relating to your account will always remain
private.

I hope this information helps to clarify this matter for you. We
appreciate your time and support in helping us keep eBay a safe and fun
place to buy and sell.

Kind regards,

Sarah Hope
eBay Trust & Safety

Raziel

11-08-2007, 16:29

Maybe they have checked and seen that some of the auctions have been won by kellsbell1010 and possibly even paid for via PayPal? In that instance its hard maybe to close an account for Shill Bidding.

You could always email the Seller and tell them they've been rumbled.... Maybe scare them in to stopping it!

splobber

11-08-2007, 16:34

moving to eBay forum

Mr. Brown

11-08-2007, 19:23

deanos

11-08-2007, 19:32

:suspect:

smithyz

13-08-2007, 18:06

LO qpw3141,
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n sumRE, U R a pedantic mNtL case w Nuttin BetA 2 do thN find fault w othR ppl undR d guise of educating dem'. removed.....innit!

Alan b

13-08-2007, 18:55

I see no reason why you have to continue something from over a year ago. Also personal attacks are against the terms and conditions.

sigil5

08-09-2008, 16:41

Prufrock

08-09-2008, 17:06

I also reported purplehog11 for suspected shill bidding. Ebay never got back to me. Now, unfortunately, their company has apparently gone bust and has left a lot of ebay customers out of pocket, including me. I was promised a delivery and instead got an email that they went bust, conveniently passed paypals 45 day dispute limit. :cry:

You're better of posting on this thread, seeing as the thread you've bumped is over a year old and the thread below is recent:

http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=517226