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LouBarlow
11-09-2006, 17:18
Round two of the comparisons of releases that have hit both formats:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/feature_blurayvshddvd_roundtwo.html

Seems the codec change of BR has narrowed the difference somewhat - it's not all over yet!
Grandmaster
11-09-2006, 18:51
Except that it's still twice as expensive to buy a player of course...
thescrounger
11-09-2006, 19:08
Seems the codec change of BR has narrowed the difference somewhat - it's not all over yet!

What, have BD machines suddenly become cheaper???
LouBarlow
11-09-2006, 19:12
Performance-wise.

Trying to be positive FFS - better than when players costing twice as much were performing worse :p

;)
RobDickinson
11-09-2006, 19:25
And where can you actualy BUY a BR player? There isnt any, samsung have pulled theirs cause there crap, no one is selling BR lasers to make them as sony have shut up shop.

Enjoy the disks tho.
Spooksta
11-09-2006, 19:52
Well the latest rumour is that BR will be in PS3's only and HD-DVD has won.
Boink!
11-09-2006, 20:02
This has all been somewhat of a complete **** up so far hasn't it?
Spooksta
11-09-2006, 20:35
Sony never learnt from Betamax :dork:
and if the hardware is now not the deciding factor in best picture but the codec then its even more of a joke, as Blu-Ray is so much more expensive.
LouBarlow
11-09-2006, 20:41
And where can you actualy BUY a BR player? There isnt any, samsung have pulled theirs cause there crap, no one is selling BR lasers to make them as sony have shut up shop.

Enjoy the disks tho.

I'm not a fanboy ffs - bought a HD-DVD player myself this morning :lol:

Just thought it an interesting development
R-T-C
11-09-2006, 20:57
Seems to me like BR would/should have been better, but it was released at least a year too early. They decided to rush it out to compete directly with HD, and have blown it now.

Doesn't mean it is all over, afterall in a few years once they have actually designed a dual-layer disc that works and finished beta testing, they could re-release it to get in on the 'HD going mainstream market' which will probably begin when HD TV broadcasts become more accessible and the televisions drop in price.
Spectre07
11-09-2006, 21:16
Sony never learnt from Betamax :dork:
and if the hardware is now not the deciding factor in best picture but the codec then its even more of a joke, as Blu-Ray is so much more expensive.There was an interesting article in The Times at the weekend about Sony. It seems since the Betamax debacle Sony learnt that if it wanted to introduce new hardware it needed to own the rights to software- film, music etc. So in the 80's and 90's it bought up films studios and record companies. This however moved it away from being a technology driven company towards an entertainment company It's founder always extolled the virtues of innovation and new technologies and becuase of this organisational ethos, Sony couldn't resist developing it's own HD format. However this kind of development hasn't been properly planned and often lacked focused because there's been a conflict between the two sides of the company. That's why Sony seem to have lost it's way.
kiran_mk2
11-09-2006, 23:00
There was an interesting article in The Times at the weekend about Sony. It seems since the Betamax debacle Sony learnt that if it wanted to introduce new hardware it needed to own the rights to software- film, music etc. So in the 80's and 90's it bought up films studios and record companies. This however moved it away from being a technology driven company towards an entertainment company It's founder always extolled the virtues of innovation and new technologies and becuase of this organisational ethos, Sony couldn't resist developing it's own HD format. However this kind of development hasn't been properly planned and often lacked focused because there's been a conflict between the two sides of the company. That's why Sony seem to have lost it's way.

This is exactly what I believe. Sony has its fingers in too many pies, so even as one part of it was trying to deliver the best possible format, the other was demanding rediculous DRM to be built in. It's really sad because things like Minidisc could have killed the cassette and the floppy drive, but by the time they finally caught on (ie companies other than Sony made them) it was too late. Same with SACDs - brilliant idea (especially with the hybrid discs so they play on regular cd players), but implemented in a half arsed way.

If Sony was broken up into separate companies they'd probably do better.

As for these new releases, it's too late. The damage has been done for the early adoptor market. Those who were likely to buy HD in the next year will have already heard the horror stories and most likely plumped for HD-DVD. Especially outside the US where BRD-only titles are handled by different distributers who've sided with HD-DVD. Could we end up with BRD dominant in the US and HD-DVD dominant in Europe?
LouBarlow
11-09-2006, 23:04
Interesting reading from a thread over on the avforums:

According to sales figures at Amazon, the highest selling HD-DVD title is about #230 in their sales-list, while the highest rated BR title is over #5000 with 23 HD-DVD titles outselling it.

Can studios continue to offer exclusitivity (?) if such sales figures continue?
jake1969
12-09-2006, 07:22
I can see Fox going over to the HD-DVD camp soon if Sony keep shooting themselves in the foot.
Spectre07
12-09-2006, 08:02
If Sony was broken up into separate companies they'd probably do better.They are restructuring the company, putting all the research and technology side into one unit under one executive. But as you say it's too late for the current batch of consumer goods.
Spectre07
12-09-2006, 08:04
Interesting reading from a thread over on the avforums:

According to sales figures at Amazon, the highest selling HD-DVD title is about #230 in their sales-list, while the highest rated BR title is over #5000 with 23 HD-DVD titles outselling it.

Can studios continue to offer exclusitivity (?) if such sales figures continue? I thought they were having problems with the blue laser units? Surely this is affecting the number of players on the market and therefore disc sales?
xraystan
12-09-2006, 09:19
WRT MiniDisc. I thought the reason behind other companies making them was because Sony wouldn't licence the technology to anyone else until they had one year of exclusivity, so once that year elapsed the other companies could start making MiniDiscs.
drush9999
12-09-2006, 11:15
Sony never learnt from Betamax :dork:


Or MiniDisc, or SACD, or UMD....
The list is endless :lol:
greath
12-09-2006, 11:33
Or MiniDisc, or SACD, or UMD....
The list is endless :lol:

Don't forget the Sony tax on digital cameras with Memory Stick when everyone else is using SD.
Harsin
12-09-2006, 11:57
Don't forget the Sony tax on digital cameras with Memory Stick when everyone else is using SD.

And going throwing away their market leader status in the protable music game with their ATRAC shennanigans.
stapp
12-09-2006, 13:01
Slightly OT, I love my W10i phone, but like others have said, it's got a bloody memory duo thing rather than SD. Upgrade? 1Gb SD= £20 1Gb Duo= £50-60. :|
stefmcd
12-09-2006, 19:23
I'm actually quite surprised by this. I thought Sony had an efficient masterplan for world domination with the PS3, PSP and Bluray. The wheels have come off the wagon in rather spectacular fashion. I do find it funny - it's nice to see the underdog triumph.
:)
Napoleon
13-09-2006, 07:26
Poor old Camaj,he's moved into an old folks home to recover.
Grandmaster
13-09-2006, 17:45
Slightly OT, I love my W10i phone, but like others have said, it's got a bloody memory duo thing rather than SD. Upgrade? 1Gb SD= £20 1Gb Duo= £50-60. :|

Er, not quite *that* high.

Look here: http://www.mobymemory.com/1GB_2gb_Sony_SanDisk_Memory_Stick_Duo_Pro_MS_PRO_DUO_Memory_Cards_for_PSP_W800i_K750i_W900i.asp

Your £50-£60 price would actually get you a 2gb stick and it's £23 for a 1gb stick.
stapp
14-09-2006, 11:48
Granted, I last looked months ago. Still rubbish.