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DamienB
15-04-2002, 20:40
From another (non DVD) forum... dunno where the quote comes from originally though:

Walton's score to be reinstated in 'Battle of Britain' film for his centenary year
By Dalya Alberge, Arts Correspondent


DECADES after a devastated William Walton discovered that only a few minutes of his score for The Battle of Britain would be used and that the rest was to be replaced by another composer’s work, the film classic is being reworked with his entire original music.

Barely four minutes of his 25-minute composition were used in the 1969 war film, which starred many leading British actors of the day, including Laurence Olivier, Trevor Howard and Michael Redgrave as well as most of the world’s Hurricanes and Spitfires.

It was because of protests from Olivier that any of Walton’s music was used, in the “Battle in the Air” section, considered by some to be the most memorable part of the score.

Walton received a joint credit with Ron Goodwin, the composer who was hastily commissioned to write an entirely new score. Now, in the centenary year of Walton’s birth, nearly 20 years after his death, some of the original film-makers are restoring the classic to the way its director had intended it to sound.

Timothy Gee, 65, who was assistant editor on the film, wants to remix the soundtrack with the support of the producers, MGM and United Artists. The original master tracks were rescued by the music mixer, Eric Tomlinson. “When he heard that United Artists had authorised the erasing of the master tracks, he just said, ‘over my dead body’, picked them up, put them in the boot of his car and stored them in his garage,” Mr Gee said.

The director, Guy Hamilton, who later made Diamonds Are Forever and other Bond films, said: “The producers caved in to the demands of United Artists, who wanted to fill every available frame with the standard American movie epic score, thus ruining William Walton’s carefully crafted work. I think the idea of resuscitating William’s tremendous score is entirely valid.”

Walton, who wrote the Coronation March for George VI, and 16 years later for his daughter, the Queen, as well as the scores for Henry V and Hamlet, had been particularly inspired writing music for the film because he had been so devastated by the war, his widow said yesterday. Lady Walton recalled that the pain of rejection was all the more acute because he had been so proud of his work for it. “He couldn’t sleep for weeks,” she said. “Nothing like that had ever happened to him.”

She welcomed plans to issue a DVD with both versions of the score, as well as screenings with the intended score in time for the September commemorations of the Battle of Britain and before the end of this year’s Walton Centenary, when his music is being performed throughout Britain.

The film is transformed by Walton’s music, Mr Gee said. “Walton’s music has a marvellous Elgarian theme that is deeper and more stirring than Goodwin’s, which is more fruity, ‘we won chaps’ and victorious.”

Goodwin, a distinguished film composer whose other scores have included Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines and Where Eagles Dare, recalled yesterday that he had written the 50-minute score in two or three weeks.

On being told of the plans to reinstate Walton’s music, he said: “It’s a good idea. It will be a collector’s item.

“I never heard it, apart from the ‘Battle in the Air’ section. I purposely didn’t because it would have been difficult to hear it first and then write a new score.”

John Hodson
15-04-2002, 22:26
The 'Battle in the Air' segment is the highlight of the (fairly mediocre) film; ironic, don't you think, that a standard military march used on various ceremonial occasions these days in Britain is Goodwin's 'March of the Luftwaffe' from Battle of Britain?

Walton's score (much as I like Ron Goodwin) may transform the film; who knows...

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feverpitch96
15-04-2002, 23:48
This is splendid news, chaps. :) Looking forward to it! And let's hope the print is up to the standard of the Bond SEs...

John Hodson
25-04-2003, 21:37
Having read the first review (http://www.dvdreview.com/fullreviews/battle_of_britain.shtml) of BoB (the R1 release), it's something of a shame that the Sir William Walton score has not, in fact, been reinstated, or at least included as an alternative track (my preferred option, Ron Goodwin having also recently passed away)

The disk is also extra free - maybe a UK release will put this matter right? It was, after all, a momentous period in Britain's history. However, I'm not hopeful.

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DamienB
25-04-2003, 21:45
Sounds like a ****-poor disc - no extras at all, over-sharpened video, mono audio... what a disappointment. Fingers crossed for R2 :(

Mike
25-04-2003, 21:52
Pretty hopeless film, but the Walton score would have been well worth including.

But why would we need anything other than a mono soundtrack ? That's how it was recorded and originally shown.

jackall
26-04-2003, 08:17
Does anybody know what the quality is supposed to be like of the other war movies released on May 5th R2 ?
633 is it anamorphic ? The Us dvd is, Bridge too far SE is it remastered ? Mosquito squadron ,bridge at remagen

John Hodson
26-04-2003, 10:39
Bridge Too Far SE nows reads TBA at play.com; has it been postponed or - horror - canned?

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cervaro
26-04-2003, 15:54
Originally posted by John Hodson
Bridge Too Far SE nows reads TBA at play.com; has it been postponed or - horror - canned?

When I saw this, also checked out listings elsewhere and still listed for a May release. Hope it hasn't been bumped. :(

Jowy
26-04-2003, 16:54
Argh :oh-hum: I can't find the Bridge too far SE anywhere else but Play and it was supposed to come out next week, doesn't look good

cervaro
26-04-2003, 18:00
Still listed as May 5th on the Streets Online site, but nowhere else has a listing. :confused:

DamienB
26-04-2003, 20:47
Originally posted by Mike
But why would we need anything other than a mono soundtrack ? That's how it was recorded and originally shown.

Oh please. So you wouldn't prefer a 5.1 mix with gunfire etc. given some direction and the engine noise making your house vibrate?

If you're such a purist about watching it exactly as it was made, go buy yourself a cinema and quit watching DVDs.

Mike
26-04-2003, 22:28
Oh please. So you wouldn't prefer a 5.1 mix with gunfire etc. given some direction and the engine noise making your house vibrate?

No thankyou. I'd like to have the original soundtrack on the DVD rather than someone else's remix according to how they think it should sound. I'm sure I'm not alone in that (certainly some of my DVD Times colleagues agree as you'll see if you read their reviews).

If you're such a purist about watching it exactly as it was made, go buy yourself a cinema and quit watching DVDs.

I don't think that wanting the film as made makes me a purist, but if it does then it's not something I especially ashamed of. Are you suggesting that we should have a Dolby Digital 5.1 transfer of every film which was made in mono ? I can't imagine anything worse than seeing, say, "Stagecoach" with distorted sound because someone somewhere can't cope with watching a film if it doesn't make their entire 'house vibrate'.

Sheryl
26-04-2003, 23:12
Originally posted by cervaro
When I saw this, also checked out listings elsewhere and still listed for a May release. Hope it hasn't been bumped. :(

what do you mean 'bumped'?

Rollocop
26-04-2003, 23:49
Some truly awful special effects of Airfix planes crashing into a mound of earth in someones garden if I remember rightly!

cervaro
27-04-2003, 00:23
Originally posted by Sheryl
what do you mean 'bumped'?

Put back, cancelled, etc. I'd guess the fact only two sites actually have a listing for the new A Bridge Too Far DVD indicates something is not OK. Shame if MGM have had to put off the release for an as yet unknown reason. :(

Sheryl
27-04-2003, 00:44
thanks

DamienB
27-04-2003, 10:41
Originally posted by Mike
I don't think that wanting the film as made makes me a purist, but if it does then it's not something I especially ashamed of. Are you suggesting that we should have a Dolby Digital 5.1 transfer of every film which was made in mono ? I can't imagine anything worse than seeing, say, "Stagecoach" with distorted sound because someone somewhere can't cope with watching a film if it doesn't make their entire 'house vibrate'.

Why not? 5.1 would no doubt improve any gunfire immensely. No doubt you disapprove of cleaning up prints, commentaries, extras etc. Why bother with DVDs at all if you don't want the capabilities of the format used? As I said, go buy yourself a cinema along with your colleagues and have things your way.

JamieC460
27-04-2003, 16:33
Originally posted by DamienB
Why not? 5.1 would no doubt improve any gunfire immensely. No doubt you disapprove of cleaning up prints, commentaries, extras etc. Why bother with DVDs at all if you don't want the capabilities of the format used? As I said, go buy yourself a cinema along with your colleagues and have things your way.

Sorry DamienB but I'm with Mike on this one. This belief that all movies should be released with 5.1 sound is just as bad as when we get pan & scan transfers of widescreen movies. It just adds an unwelcome distraction from the viewing enjoyment for those old enough to have seen the films in the cinema.

If the companies feel that they have to re-mix then they should also include the original sound mix on the disc as well.

As for your quip about cleaning up the prints, I have no objections about this as this doesn't effect the the movie in a negative or distracting way. Next you'll be saying that all in future all black & white academy ratio movies must be colourised and matted into widescreen.

Mike
27-04-2003, 17:57
<b>Why not? 5.1 would no doubt improve any gunfire immensely.</b>

It doesn't need improving, it's fine as it is.

<b>No doubt you disapprove of cleaning up prints, commentaries, extras etc. </b>

Given that none of these change the film as made by the director - cleaning up prints merely restores films to their original condition - I don't see the connection.

<b>Why bother with DVDs at all if you don't want the capabilities of the format used? </b>

Because a DVD allows me the best opportunity to see the film in as good a condition as possible and as near as possible to how it was originally released. Given that this is the whole basis of Criterion's success - remixed sound only being offered if the original soundtrack is also included - then I don't quite know why you find my requirement so unusual.

<b>As I said, go buy yourself a cinema along with your colleagues and have things your way.</b>

As long as discs are released which reflect the original soundtrack recording, then I don't need to. As some of my colleagues are among the best DVD reviewers currently working in the UK, I don't think many people would thank you for suggesting that they give up watching discs.

Mike
27-04-2003, 18:00
Originally posted by JamieC460
Sorry DamienB but I'm with Mike on this one. This belief that all movies should be released with 5.1 sound is just as bad as when we get pan & scan transfers of widescreen movies. It just adds an unwelcome distraction from the viewing enjoyment for those old enough to have seen the films in the cinema.

If the companies feel that they have to re-mix then they should also include the original sound mix on the disc as well.

As for your quip about cleaning up the prints, I have no objections about this as this doesn't effect the the movie in a negative or distracting way. Next you'll be saying that all in future all black & white academy ratio movies must be colourised and matted into widescreen.

Thanks Jamie. Some excellent points. I can't understand the mentality which thinks that a remixed Dolby 5.1 soundtrack is automatically an improvement on a monophonic one. I have no objection to a remix as long as the original mono track is included.

One of my main dislikes of 5.1 remixes is that they tend to result in dialogue being monophonic with the surrounds used only for sound effects and music - it unbalances the track and sometimes drowns the dialogue.

pompeyfan
28-04-2003, 01:02
Originally posted by Mike
Thanks Jamie. Some excellent points. I can't understand the mentality which thinks that a remixed Dolby 5.1 soundtrack is automatically an improvement on a monophonic one. I have no objection to a remix as long as the original mono track is included.

One of my main dislikes of 5.1 remixes is that they tend to result in dialogue being monophonic with the surrounds used only for sound effects and music - it unbalances the track and sometimes drowns the dialogue.

Totally agree with that, there's nothing worse than trying to watch a film when you can't hear what people are saying because it's drowned out by music and/or sound effects.