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Amazon.fr are showing 23 October for the release of Kieslowski's Three Colours Trilogy (http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005BEXR/qid=996922165/sr=1-/171-9980960-9617856). The DVD's are available from Amazon.fr as a boxset for a pretty reasonable 47.86 euros (about 30 quid), or separately for 23.99 euros (about £15) each. Few further details on the content though.
Good one Phlebas!
And to make things even better it's being released by
MK2 who have been making some excellent releases recently (inc. many of them with English subtitiles and menus).
EDIT: And Alapage tell me that there's a 4th bonus DVD available
in the boxset... Nice!
Are these French discs likely to have English subtitles? I seem to remember MK2 discs tend to have them as standard.
Also, who is the best to order from? Amazon.fr seem the cheapest for the set and for shipping charges. Alternatives anyone can recommend?
"I seem to remember MK2 discs tend to have [English subtitles] as standard."
...well... yes and no... the first five titles in mk2's Truffaut series did - bless them!... but it seems the next batch (6 titles in all) in the Truffaut series will not have subs... their Chabrol series also lacks subs... on the other hand, Austrian-born Michael Haneke's first French-language movie - Code inconnu, starring Juliette Binoche - does have subs for the feature itself, but not for the extras...
...so, as far as the Kieslowski films are concerned, I suggest holding off until more is known about them - unless, of course, your French is fluent! ;) ...
. . .
APPRIA40WR
04-08-2001, 13:39
Been waiting for these for months!
Great news.
I've ordered those at that price. Yummy http://homepage.ntlworld.com/garyford/grin.gif
£32.51 <U>delivered</U> which may be unbeatable due to the single shipping charge.
BTW, for those who may not have heard:
In The Mood for Love is to be released a month or so before hand in a deluxe 2 DVD boxset which seems to be a complete beauty...
(check it our <a href="http://www.dvdfr.com/dvd/fiche.php3?id=3143">here</a>.) and - yes it is subtitled in English...
So it may be worth while adding that to your order at the same
time as the shipping only counts once...
Whilst I'm on about that Jeunet's boxset (Delcatessne + City of Lost children) is also due it some time in October (3 DVDs I now here!)... May also be worth adding to your shopping basket!
Originally posted by Hendrik
..but it seems the next batch (6 titles in all) in the Truffaut series will not have subs...
Darn! Is your source for this reliable, Hendrik? Last time I looked at the mk2 site, there were no real details (I took this to mean that they were still preparing the page, rather than that subs were not on offer). This would be a real shame:(
EDIT: yeah, it looks bad. mk2 have updated their site, and it does indeed look as if the next batches of Truffauts are French only-bang goes the prospect of the ideal Quatre cent coups!
Just so that I don't forget to cancel on time - has anyone got new information whether it will have english subtitles/language track at all?
Cheers
Rooku
...the new batch of Truffaut movies will not have English subs, it seems...
http://www.dvdfr.com/dvd/fiche.php3?id=3681
. . . :( . . .
adamvbarker
23-08-2001, 02:47
It seems the new batch of Truffaut movies have an english audio track - with optional french subtitles!
Why?
I mean, these are basically old(-ish) arthouse movies; do they think there are many english-speaking people out there who want to see them dubbed? And can there be any french people at all who want to watch an english dubbed version with french subtitles? It's all very strange!
The only glimmer of hope for those (like me) who read french decently but struggle to understand just hearing it, is that it may, I suppose, be possible to have the french subtitles on the french audio track. But maybe not. It's impossible to tell unless musicbox put up images of the actual navigation screens of the disk (which they might soon.)
Sources of my info - a largish jpg of the back cover:
www.musicbox.fr/musicbox/images/back/highdef/0012131.jpg
- and the page it came from:
www.musicbox.fr/cgi-bin/musicbox/0012131?Rm6HjB6X
(If the above link doesn't work look up Les 400 coups at www.musicbox.fr )
arias90210
23-08-2001, 03:08
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!:mad:
Les 400 coups according to jpg back cover seems to have English version which is the original French version with optional ENGLISH subtitles. In addition it says that subtitles are provided for the film and for the short film (Mistons).
There are similar notifications in other new Truffaut DVD's as well. So I conclude that the only difference in comparison with earlier DVD's is that earlier the complete program was subtitled, now only films are provided with English subtitles.
Michael, or others, please correct me if I'm wrong.
APPRIA40WR
23-08-2001, 08:08
Looks bad news then for me cos I <u>need</u> the English subs but the French titles have some benefit here too but not good enough for me to ditch my (rather good) Region 1 (http://207.136.67.23/film/Reviews/400_blows.htm) Les 400 Coups disc.
Well, I've just emailed mk2 (using burnt-in English subtitles) to ask them directly. If they reply, I'll post their response here.
APPRIA40WR
23-08-2001, 10:50
Well, I've just emailed mk2 (using burnt-in English subtitles)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/garyford/laugh.gif
Bizarre!
I did the same thing yesterday! (though in French)
As above, will post any response...
Well, here's the somewhat ambiguous reply I received. I've asked for further clarification, but I'm optimistic that this means that the main films and shorts have English subs, but that the commentaries and other extras don't. I'll keep you updated.
Hello,
The new set of Truffaut disk have not similar English subtitles; there are
subtitles only on the 6 films and on the
shorts films "Antoine et Colette" and "les Mistons".
Best regards.
Michael Brooke
23-08-2001, 14:43
My interpretation of that is that the features and shorts have English subtitles, but the extras don't - which is rather better news than some of us were expecting!
Incidentally, I wouldn't worry too much about the <I>Three Colours</I> trilogy either, since Miramax and Artificial Eye are also doing it - and their versions will <U>definitely</U> have English subtitles!
OK...just to add further fuel to the fire, this is what I just received "directement à la bouche de cheval" ;)
------------------
HELLO
> Monsieur/Madame,
>
> Premièrment, je présenter mon excuses pour les mauvais français (je suis Gallois).
>IT'S AS GOOD AS MY ENGLISH!!!
> Je suis intéressé à-propos les trois volumes des films de Truffaut, mais avant j'achete les, j'ai deux questions:
>
> - Je crois pour le premier volume ("Les Femmes et L'Amour") tous les films avais les sous-titres en anglais. C'est vrai?
> RIGHT! FILM AND BONUS
> - Pour les autres ("Les Polars" et "Les Aventures d'Antoine Doinel"), je ne pas trouvé l'information à-propos le existence de les sous-titres en anglais. Puis vous confirmé "oui" ou "non" s'il vous plait?
> THE FILM AND THE SHORT FILM ARE SUBTITLED? BUT NOT THE BONUS!
> Veuillez crois, Monsieur/Madame, à l'assurance de ma considération distinguée.
>
> Stuart
>
> BEST REGARDS
Claire Barachet
---------------------
So that sounds like good news to me! (I did think it was odd that some did and some did not)
Neil Irving
23-08-2001, 17:26
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
Incidentally, I wouldn't worry too much about the <I>Three Colours</I> trilogy either, since Miramax and Artificial Eye are also doing it - and their versions will <U>definitely</U> have English subtitles! [/B]
I hope Miramax learn from their unbelievable faux pas re: BLUE, when ,with the release of their laserdisc, they decided to take the subtitles off for the all important song that accompanies the montage at the film's conclusion.
Michael Brooke
23-08-2001, 17:31
Based on track record, I'd favour the following:
1) MK2 (French R2)
Reasons: French DVDs are usually superb, MK2 discs particularly good, and MK2 is owned by Marin Karmitz, who produced all three films - so there's every reason for getting it right!
2) Artificial Eye (UK R2)
Their transfers are usually top-notch visually (almost invariably anamorphic), and although the sound is usually plain Dolby Surround, that's all the films were originally.
3) Miramax (R1)
They've messed up in the past, quite apart from the drawbacks of an NTSC picture.
...but I can't stress enough that this is entirely instinctive, and my views may change when the specs were announced - and the presence or absence of subtitles on the MK2 discs will be a key factor.
That said, I recall the French dialogue being pretty basic, possibly because Kieslowski's grasp of the language was never that secure, so if the MK2 discs are conspicuously better but subtitle-free I'll still consider them.
adamvbarker
25-08-2001, 01:22
proof at last!
a jpg of a navigation screen of 400 coups :
www.musicbox.fr/musicbox/images/dvd/images/0012131_01.jpg
and the page at musicbox it came from:
www.musicbox.fr/cgi-bin/musicbox/0012131?9bx8HieT
The other Antoine Doinel films all have the same thing.
But before rushing to snap this up, I noticed that Amazon.fr have, due out on Oct 9th:
Coffret Francois Truffaut - Vol.3 : Les Aventures d'Antoine Doinel - Les Quatre cents coups / Baisers volés / Domicile conjugal / L'Amour en fuite / + 1 DVD Bonus
for 395 francs! i.e. less than 100F a movie plus a free bonus disk (tho' that may not have much English subs). They're selling 400 coups for 167F on its own. I think I'll wait and get the box set.
Excellent stuff! I've just ordered vols 2 & 3 for £64 (incl shipping) from amazon.fr. I might even be tempted to dip into the non-subtitled extras to try out my mediocre French. Either way, it's great news that mk2 have continued English subs on the films at any rate. Their vol. 1 is outstanding (and is arguably the most stylish looking box set to boot)!
APPRIA40WR
25-08-2001, 08:16
Great work guys! -Consider that a compliment :D
APPRIA40WR
25-08-2001, 09:41
Three Colours Trilogy - French release
Yes please! (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/garyford/trois.jpg)
More news courtesy of dvdfr.com:
Bonuses to be inc. on the DVDs:
Archive documents, previously unreleased interviews,
deleted scences, an Arte "cinema lesson" from Kieslowski with him commenting scenes from the trilogy, interviews of the three
main leads, extracts from "bouillon de culture" with Jacob & Trintignant, and the trailers from the trilogy and other Kieslowski films.
The boxed set will feature an extra DVD called Kieslowski on Kieslowski: an auto-biography of the man himself.
Due for release Oct. 28th
Michael Brooke
05-09-2001, 15:32
I hate to pour cold water on what looks like a superb set - but I'm hearing rumours that it only offers French subtitles. I'd rather have those than no subtitles at all, and the French DVDs are still my own overwhelming first choice - but I'd definitely check before pre-ordering!
Looks like I'll be digging out my old school notes...
mon ma mes
ton ta tes...
:)
fingers crossed for english subs...
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
I hate to pour cold water on what looks like a superb set - but I'm hearing rumours that it only offers French subtitles. I'd rather have those than no subtitles at all, and the French DVDs are still my own overwhelming first choice - but I'd definitely check before pre-ordering!
Noooooooooooooooooo!
Wendelius
05-09-2001, 17:49
Originally posted by perfecta
More news courtesy of dvdfr.com:
Bonuses to be inc. on the DVDs:
Archive documents, previously unreleased interviews,
deleted scences, an Arte "cinema lesson" from Kieslowski with him commenting scenes from the trilogy, interviews of the three
main leads, extracts from "bouillon de culture" with Jacob & Trintignant, and the trailers from the trilogy and other Kieslowski films.
The boxed set will feature an extra DVD called Kieslowski on Kieslowski: an auto-biography of the man himself.
Due for release Oct. 28th
Perfecta,
This sounds like a most interesting boxset. Despite being French speaking, I've never seen any of those 3 films. When I was still a dashing young man (many moons ago :) ) I had a primitive reaction of the type "American: good. French: bad". I'm happy to say I've learned better since then and that I am busily catching up on all those good French movies I've missed over the years. ;)
That being said, do you think that the trilogy is for everybody or is it more of an art film aimed at restricted audiences?
In other words, can your typical middle aged man enjoy those movies? Is it all art, intricate photography and no plot?
Wendelius
PS: I realise this is a very subjective question but I'm trying to get a feel for whether I should preorder those or not.
The question you ask Wendelius is a pretty difficult one for me to answer as I tend to hate anything blockbuster-ish. ;)
I recommend that you watch them b4 buying them really. They are relatively slow and with little dialogue. I think the most acessible is probably Red (although being the last in the trilogy - it won't spoil the others much).
If you liked Paris Texas (or anything by Wim Wenders) or In the mood for love, you'll probably like these films...
Anything by Kieslowski blows me away when i first see them but that's not to say it'll have the same effect on everyone. (I know plenty of people who's tastes are pretty similar to mine were blown away by Man bites dog whilst I felt pretty much the opposite about it)
mmmm...I'm starting to meander... At the price they're at and if feel you can cope with films like that well go for it... (I hope) you won't be dissapointed!
...to Wendelius (and any other interested parties)...
If you want to find out more about the Trois Couleurs films as such, take a look here:
http://www.mrqe.com/lookup?three+colors
. . . :o . . .
Originally posted by Wendelius
In other words, can your typical middle aged man enjoy those movies? Is it all art, intricate photography and no plot?
Having mulled over your question all evening, I think that there is a fair amount of plot in it. It's not aimlessly meandering along. Things happen in it. It is deeply emotional too... The photography is superb but it does serve a purpose... Also it they all have superb soundtracks which i forgot to mention (in particular Blue). So if you do appreciate relatively arthouse films I really do think you should buy these DVDs... Have I convinced you? (tell you what, if you absolutely hate them I'll buy them back off you and give them to someone as a present!)
Michael Brooke
06-09-2001, 07:23
I think the <I>Three Colours</I> films are exquisite pieces of film-making (by that stage in his career, Kieslowski was simply incapable of framing a boring shot), but for me they were a bit of a letdown after <I>A Short Film About Killing, A Short Film About Love, Dekalog</I> and <I>The Double Life of Veronique</I> - they seemed more of a "greatest hits" compilation (underscored by the fact that the much-praised music for <I>Three Colours: Blue</I> was recycled from Kieslowski's earlier film <I>No End</I>) than the kind of voyage of discovery he'd given us in the past.
Then again, unlike many Kieslowski fans, I started with the late 1980s stuff, worked backwards to the late 1970s and <U>then</U> saw the <I>Three Colours</I> trilogy, so my expectations were probably higher than most!
Wendelius
06-09-2001, 10:39
Thanks fo the links and the opinions.
Yes, I believe you have convinced me to buy the boxset, Pefecta. The fact that I love Blockbusters doesn't prevent me from being interested by those more arthouse movies. :)
Also, I probably won't be affected by the "greatest hits" impression Michael felt as this will be my first Kieslowski movie. Are his other movies (the only one I have heard about is La Double Vie de Veronique) on DVD too? If so, what's the best R2 edition?
About those movies you mentioned Michael, are there any you'd recommend over the others?
Wendelius
AFAIK, the only other Kieslowski on DVD so far is the superb Decalogue box set (approx 10 h of his Polish TV series from 1988), which is out on R0 in the US. If you like Three Colours then this would definitely be worth looking at - but at about £50 (not including customs), it might be considered a gamble if you've not seen any of the series before. I'd seen a Short Film About Love (an extended cinema-released version of one of the Decalogue episodes) before I bought the box set, so I had a fair idea about what I was getting into.
Phil
Michael Brooke
06-09-2001, 11:55
The Kieslowski films that I've seen are as follows:
1979 - <I>Camera Buff</I>
1981 - <I>Blind Chance</I>
1984 - <I>No End</I>
1987 - <I>A Short Film About Killing</I>
1988 - <I>Dekalog</I> (cycle of ten films)
1989 - <I>A Short Film About Love</I>
1991 - <I>The Double Life of Veronique</I>
1993 - <I>Three Colours: Blue</I>
1994 - <I>Three Colours: White</I>
1994 - <I>Three Colours: Red</I>
His career basically divides up into four distinct periods:
<B>Late 1960s to early 1980s</B> - numerous documentaries, mostly about aspects of life in contemporary Poland, none of which I've seen but many are highly regarded.
<B>1976-1984</B> - four feature films (I haven't seen <I>The Scar</I>), all set in contemporary Poland and all either subtly or overtly political. <I>Camera Buff</I> is probably the most enjoyable (it's a dark comedy about a man whose innocent home movies about life in the factory he works in get interpreted as being subversive by the authorities), <I>No End</I> the most powerful but probably the toughest for non-Poles (it parallels private grief at the loss of a loved one with public grief at the perceived loss of a country as the ghost of a Solidarity lawyer watches his wife cope with both his departure and his workload), while <I>Blind Chance</I> is the most interesting, as it foreshadows some of the more metaphysical later films (it shows how a man's life changes dramatically depending on whether and how he catches a train) and was hugely controversial for the way it showed someone flirting with and rejecting both of Poland's dominant religions: Communism and Catholicism.
<B>1987-89</B> - <I>Dekalog</I> and its two spin-off feature films are for my money not just Kieslowski's masterpieces but arguably the most impressive achievement of <U>any</U> film-maker released during my lifetime: nothing I've seen since discovering them in Paris in 1990 has come close to their cumulative power. Essentially, they're ten films, each based on one of the Ten Commandments - but they're moral tales rather than religious ones (even the overtly religious commandments are given a secular spin). Each runs just under an hour, with expanded feature-length versions of parts five and six released as <I>A Short Film About Killing</I> and <I>A Short Film About Love</I>. For what it's worth, my personal favourite of all of Kieslowski's films is the latter, a riveting story of a love affair based on mutual misunderstanding of what the word "love" actually means. Most directors tackling this subject reach for the soft-focus filter - Kieslowski prefers a scalpel, and his dissection of his characters' emotions is sometimes too painful to watch.
<B>1991-1994</B> - the final period of Kieslowski's career (he died in 1996) saw him moving into a completely new style and indeed a new metaphysical plane. <I>The Double Life of Veronique</I> (a story about two identical young women born at the same time - but in different countries and totally unaware of each other's existence) baffled many on its first release, especially those familiar with Kieslowski's previous work - but subsequent viewings reveal it to be a film of extraordinary richness, depth and visual beauty (with one of the most physically thrilling scores of any film in recent memory), and its refusal to explain things makes it all the more tantalising. I think one of the reasons I responded to Wong Kar-Wai's work so quickly when I first came across it is that he's working in very similar territory - trying to capture inexplicable and indescribable feelings and emotions via a medium that's normally more comfortable with surface realism.
As for DVD releases, they're a bit thin on the ground at present. We're about to be graced with three separate editions of the <I>Three Colours</I> trilogy (from Miramax, Artificial Eye and MK2), but the only other Kieslowski DVD that I'm aware of is Facets' edition of the complete <I>Dekalog</I> - very pricey at $79.99 (though you can probably get this discounted), and absolutely bare-bones - no extras, adequate but indifferent transfers - but the films are so powerful that they really don't need much more (for starters, they were originally made for Polish TV on a budget so low that Kieslowski only had enough footage for two takes maximum!).
Ted Todorov
07-09-2001, 05:21
Originally posted by StuNew
OK...just to add further fuel to the fire, this is what I just received "directement à la bouche de cheval" ;)
Since the best non MK2 source of info, www.musicbox.fr does not have the Three Colors listed yet, could you give us the e-mail address of the "bouche de cheval" so we can try out our own bad French to find out about subtitles?
Ted
Originally posted by Ted Todorov
Since the best non MK2 source of info, www.musicbox.fr does not have the Three Colors listed yet...
Unsurprising as they've entered receivership so won't have any more new DVDs listed for a good while... If you find an email address you could send the following:
Cher monsieur/madame,
ayant un francais qui ne pourrait qu'etre décrit comme pietre, je cherche avidement a savoir si les DVDs "Trois couleurs: Bleu, Blanc et Rouge" seront sous-titrés en anglais.
Sincerement votre,
[your name here]
Should get you an answer!
Got this reply this morning:
YES, FILM + BONUS, in England in a few month...
which seems to mean that it will be subtitled or are they
referring to the Artificial Eye release?
I suspect not as they wouldn't really be up to date with
what AE are doing...
UPDATE:
I got another email from them telling me that they were preparing masters that will be released on the UK market with all the extras subtitled. So it looks like waiting for the Artificial Eye
release may be worthwhile if it'll be identical to the MK2 release.
adamvbarker
11-09-2001, 13:49
www.musicbox.fr does not have the Three Colors listed yet...Unsurprising as they've entered receivership so won't have any more new DVDs listed for a good while
This is very bad news! The amount of information they give on disks is the best anywhere in the world - cast lists, audio, video and subtitle info, scans of front and back covers (back covers esp. useful) and often captures of all navigation screens.
I thought i'd been doing pretty well at keeping them in business by myself! Their prices are pretty good, their delivery is expensive but quick and reliable.
What's more, they are the only decent source I've found for Ruscico disks.
Interestingly, after being unable to get through to the website on Sunday, I looked yesterday and found several Ruscico disks in stock which I'm sure weren't there the last time I looked; so perhaps they are still getting some new stuff.
I wouldn't worry too much about them. I think they entered receivership in order to secure a fresh start. (not sure if receivership is the correct term. it's dépot de bilan in French if that helps).
Cdiscount.com are said to be attempting to make itself profitable too so it looks like they're all severely suffering at the mo...
none of them intend to close but it doesn't sound too good though does it?
Originally posted by perfecta
(not sure if receivership is the correct term. it's dépot de bilan in French if that helps).
I think that means they have filed for bankruptcy.
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
Each runs just under an hour, with expanded feature-length versions of parts five and six released as <I>A Short Film About Killing</I> and <I>A Short Film About Love</I>. For what it's worth, my personal favourite of all of Kieslowski's films is the latter, a riveting story of a love affair based on mutual misunderstanding of what the word "love" actually means.
I couldn't agree more can you get this on DVD...
...not as part of the Dekalog but on it's own!?
Amazon.fr have put up more info on their site about the contents
of the 3 DVDs... Looking good:
Blue:
• Theatrical trailer
• Krzysztof Kieslowski Cinema Master class (recorded in 1994)
• Juliette Binoche commentary (june 2001)
• commentary by Jacques Witta, film's editor(july 2001)
• interview with Marin Karmitz, the film's producer (july 2001)
• Extract from the OST
White:
• Theatrical trailer
• Krzysztof Kieslowski Cinema Master class (recorded in 1994)
• Julie Delpy's commentary (july 2001)
• a Making of
• interview with Marin Karmitz, the film's producer (july 2001)
• Extract from the OST
Red:
• Irène Jacob's commentary (july 2001)
• commentary by Jacques Witta, film's editor (july 2001)
• interview with Marin Karmitz, the film's producer (july 2001)
• Krzysztof Kieślowski: Cannes 1994
• a Making of
Still no more news regarding the contents of the fourth disc. The deleted scenes that had been previously mentioned haven't
appeared yet though. Neither is there any mention of Subtitles :(
Even more worrying is the fact that Amazon is claiming them to be Full screen!
They are also quoted as being "Full Screen (Standard) - 1.33:1", which I find hard to believe.
Ted Todorov
29-09-2001, 21:50
Originally posted by phlebas
They are also quoted as being "Full Screen (Standard) - 1.33:1", which I find hard to believe.
I don't know why you guys bother with Amazon -- they are the worst when it comes to information. According to cinestore.com:
Vidéo
16/9 Compatible 4/3 , Format cinéma respecté 1.85
Audio:
Français Dolby Digital 5.1
Ted
Yes, but Cinestore (http://www.cinestore.com/html/fiche_produits.php?groupe=1&page=1&id=10409) doesn't show much in the way of extras, unlike Amazon.
Originally posted by Ted Todorov
I don't know why you guys bother with Amazon -- they are the worst when it comes to information. According to cinestore.com:
Vidéo
16/9 Compatible 4/3 , Format cinéma respecté 1.85
Audio:
Français Dolby Digital 5.1
Also they claim that White is in French which it only is in parts...
And no subtitles. so does that mean that there'll be no subtitles for the bits in polish? I suspect Cinéstore are wrong on this one !
Ted Todorov
30-09-2001, 14:06
Originally posted by perfecta
Also they claim that White is in French which it only is in parts...
And no subtitles. so does that mean that there'll be no subtitles for the bits in polish? I suspect Cinéstore are wrong on this one !
I totally agree on the subtitles -- obviously that is wrong.
All well, we'll know soon enough -- personally I never pre-order R2 stuff. I tend to buy from cinestore, and there you get 90FF shiping to the US regardless of how many in stock DVDs you order at the same time. I order 10 -15 at a time and shipping ends up being well under a dollar per DVD. On the other hand pre-order shipping is 35FF each -- it totally does not make sense.
Ted
bddidier
01-10-2001, 17:12
I will have to raise the limit on my credit card with all those excellent releases in France (the three colors trilogy, In the mood for love and Delicatessen)!
As for the decalogue I really hope it will be released in Europe soon. I own the R0 version and it's just the best TV movies ever made, everybody should be able to see them. As for the three colors I hope "White" will finally get the recognition it deserves as compare to "Blue or "Red".
http://www.mk2.com/new/index.html
has more info on the DVD release but no confirmation about subtitles :(
It's also to be releases later than planned (early nov).
Michael Brooke
18-10-2001, 14:44
<B>As for the decalogue I really hope it will be released in Europe soon. I own the R0 version and it's just the best TV movies ever made, everybody should be able to see them. </B>
What's preventing them now? Virtually all European DVD setups should be able to play the Facets discs without any modification.
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
What's preventing them now? Virtually all European DVD setups should be able to play the Facets discs without any modification.
I believe the discs are Out of Print (OOP) :(
Originally posted by Garry Cowell
I believe the discs are Out of Print (OOP) :(
and the subtitles are not too great... and they're only available in English! (whereas a massive amount of KK fans are not English speakers!)
Michael Brooke
18-10-2001, 15:02
Two very fair points - particularly the last one, as I've only seen Kieslowski's pre-<I>Decalogue</I> output with French subtitles!
APPRIA40WR
18-10-2001, 15:38
Still nothing definitive on the English subs then guys?
I see www.play.com are listing the UK Region 2 versions for this month @ £14.99 each -with subs of course.
Originally posted by Garry Cowell
I believe the discs are Out of Print (OOP) :(
Really? Well, I'm glad I got mine when I did then. :D:p
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
<I>The Double Life of Veronique</I> (a story about two identical young women born at the same time - but in different countries and totally unaware of each other's existence) baffled many on its first release, especially those familiar with Kieslowski's previous work - but subsequent viewings reveal it to be a film of extraordinary richness, depth and visual beauty (with one of the most physically thrilling scores of any film in recent memory), and its refusal to explain things makes it all the more tantalising. I think one of the reasons I responded to Wong Kar-Wai's work so quickly when I first came across it is that he's working in very similar territory - trying to capture inexplicable and indescribable feelings and emotions via a medium that's normally more comfortable with surface realism.
I've just watched Veronique for the first time on FilmFour and I have to say I am pretty much 'baffled'. It is indeed very beautiful to look at (like the divine Ms Jacob herself), and the music is wonderful, but it confused the hell out of me! I've taped it too so I guess I'll have to watch it again.
Has anyone received the box set yet and can confirm that the films have english subtitles? I am anxious to know if I should cancel my order...
Thanks a lot
Roolku
I received the box set today from Amazon. I have just put "blue" into a DVD drive at work, and I am afraid that as far as I could tell, there are no subtitles at all. There was not even an Audio option on the menu screen and the packaging only mentions that it contains the French language version (in 5.1, although I think that I read that it only contains 5.0).
I will have another look when I get home this evening, as my home DVD player is a bit more sophisticated than the one at work.
Steve
Steve again (aka nmated).
Just checked "blue" at home and no subtitles or languages other than French.
Steve
Originally posted by Stever
Just checked "blue" at home and no subtitles or languages other than French.
Thanks for your message. I guess it's time to cancel and visit play247 for the british version. :(
Roolku
Ah well, just as well I went for the UK version then - even if it is more expensive (no box-set).
One question I still have about the French box-set - could someone confirm whether there is a fourth disk, and if so what is on it? Of course, unless I suddenly become fluent in French, this is merely of academic interest!
Cheers,
Phil.
I realise this answer is almost a year late (!!!) but, in case it wasn't elucidated in another thread, there was no fourth disc :(
Wow, back from the dead! Thanks for the answer though! It appears I am still subscribed to this thread...
Originally posted by phlebas
Wow, back from the dead!
Indeed :D - was surfing through the foreign film threads and thought I might as well tie this up :)
http://207.136.67.23/film/dvdcompare/blue.htm
http://207.136.67.23/film/dvdcompare/white.htm
http://207.136.67.23/film/dvdcompare/red.htm
Earl Jolly Brown
18-11-2002, 21:23
I bought the Korean releases mentioned in those links given by Gary Cowell - excellent presentation, I got the 3 disc set for 30 pounds.
Lack of English subs for the extras will be a problem for some, I can get by on the french subs for the Polish sections and stumble through some of the Korean parts.
There is also a 6 disc set of 'Dekalog' available here - 2 episodes per disc (which may mean a slightly better image than the 4 disc R2) and the 6th disc features the documentary 'I'm So-So' - I don't know if this is the same extra included on the Artificial Eye release. English subbed, naturally. I haven't decided yet whether to go for this release or for the R2.
staffyman
18-11-2002, 22:37
I don't know if anyone else spotted this at DVD File - (http://www.dvdfile.com/software/dvd-video/archive/2002/11_06.html)
"Also just sent out to advertisers is Buena Vista's March DVD catalog slate. Arriving on March 4 is Krzysztof Kieslowski's Red, White and Blue trilogy (each available separately)
Originally posted by Earl Jolly Brown
I bought the Korean releases mentioned in those links given by Gary Cowell - excellent presentation, I got the 3 disc set for 30 pounds.
Lack of English subs for the extras will be a problem for some, I can get by on the french subs for the Polish sections and stumble through some of the Korean parts.
There is also a 6 disc set of 'Dekalog' available here - 2 episodes per disc (which may mean a slightly better image than the 4 disc R2) and the 6th disc features the documentary 'I'm So-So' - I don't know if this is the same extra included on the Artificial Eye release. English subbed, naturally. I haven't decided yet whether to go for this release or for the R2.
The documentary, 'I'm So-So' is not on the Artificial Eye release, and is in fact a 56 minute film made in 1995 by his longtime assistant. It's an excellent portrait of Kieslowski laced with clips from his films, and I was tempted enough to buy this a few years ago on NTSC video. A DVD release is therefore very welcome indeed.
Cirrus888
19-11-2002, 02:39
Hmmmm ... the artificial eye version is suppose to be better picture wise but it looks over exposed to me with the NTSC version looking better.
Look at the hand on the last screen cap for rouge ...
What do you guys think?
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